***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by O.city

Me personally?

Nah, just a general proposition.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Nah, just a general proposition.

Ah ok. Wasn’t sure. Carry on

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DaFace

If immunity rates are low, COVID won't go away. That's all there is to it.

Well if you get to make the choice then Darwinism wins out. Eventually it will go away. There was no vaccine for the Spanish Flu.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah who gives a shit about other people

If you don't want the vaccine thats's your problem. That has nothing to do with "giving a shit about other people". That's called you made your decision you deal with the consequences of your choice.

In fact I would say I care enough about other people to let them live their life the way they choose instead of the way I want them too.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Wrong again. It doesn't last that long. People are still going to have to wear masks and social distance.

Sure....

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Well if you get to make the choice then Darwinism wins out. Eventually it will go away. There was no vaccine for the Spanish Flu.

You realize that all modern flu pandemics came from the Spanish flu, right? It never truly went away.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by petegz28

If you don't want the vaccine thats's your problem. That has nothing to do with "giving a shit about other people". That's called you made your decision you deal with the consequences of your choice.

In fact I would say I care enough about other people to let them live their life the way they choose instead of the way I want them too.

We are now at the point that your rights have no meaning anymore. Well I mean we passed that point months ago.

We need what 60% to get to herd immunity but apparently the other 40% will be vilified.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I know this is the thing we've been debating for months now, but the goal of this is to ELIMINATE COVID-19, and the way you do that is to get as many people immune to it as possible.

It's true that people will be MORE protected if they can get the vaccine, but it's not 100%. And the lower the vaccination rates, the longer it can hang around. If it hangs around, that's what leads to a need for repeated doses in the future and vaccinating babies.

In short, if we half ass the vaccination effort the way we've half assed everything to do this point, we'll continue to suffer the consequences of doing so. Will it be as bad as it is now? No. But can't we all just do what we're supposed to do so that we can be DONE with this damn thing?

Covid is not going away. Did the measles go away? And when you say people should do what they are "supposed to do" who crowned you King to decide what others are "supposed to do"?

I think what you mean to say is people should do what you think they should do.

I will say this again. Get the vaccine if you want and leave others the **** alone. If you choose not to get the vaccine that's on you. This is the mentality many political arguments are rooted in, people telling others what they must do. You take care of you. Once the vaccine is available then you don't need to worry about someone else.

If I didn't already have Covid I would get the vaccine and that's my choice. But it's not my place to tell everyone else what they have to do. Just like I don't tell you that you can't drink or smoke or anything like that.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DaFace

You realize that all modern flu pandemics came from the Spanish flu, right? It never truly went away.

Well then this vaccine wont stop shit apparently.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Well if you get to make the choice then Darwinism wins out. Eventually it will go away. There was no vaccine for the Spanish Flu.

Yeah there is now. It’s not as effective as this one because it mutates and has high antigenic drift. I don’t remember which H virus the Spanish flu is, but it’s still circulating

H5n1 maybe? I don’t remember

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

You realize that all modern flu pandemics came from the Spanish flu, right? It never truly went away.

Yet you think we will eliminate Covid?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

We are now at the point that your rights have no meaning anymore. Well I mean we passed that point months ago.

We need what 60% to get to herd immunity but apparently the other 40% will be vilified.

70% atleast

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

We are now at the point that your rights have no meaning anymore. Well I mean we passed that point months ago.

We need what 60% to get to herd immunity but apparently the other 40% will be vilified.

It's ****ing ridiculous. What you are seeing is people grasping at straws to keep the "it's to protect you from me" mentality alive. When the vaccine hits that dies.

Would I like to see everyone get the vaccine Yes. Is it my business if you don't? No.

[O.city]

For ****s sake guys.

If we have a high rate of vaccination, yea, we could likely eliminate SARS cov 2. Corona viruses don’t mutate like influenza viruses so if that stays the case, yeah, we could get rid of it.

Just like we could measles if everyone was vaccinated

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

70% atleast

Ok then. You doubt 70% will get vaccinated?