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Old 09-07-2023, 09:08 PM  
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****Our Wide Receivers Suck- Official Thread****
They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.
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Old 10-23-2023, 09:30 AM   #4816
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And the usual suspects will bitch to the high heavens that when we draft/trade for (whatever TE) “he isn’t as good” as the time great HOF player.
Not really. Is there anyone critical of rashee even if his upside MIGHT be more Watkins vs tyreek? The urgency with WR is knowing that the more we can lean on WRs or a solid TE2, the less we need to lean on a 34 year old TE to take on extremely high utilization and GOAT level play. I would’ve preferred that happen this year but whatever… we can get it done with very high kelce utilization for another season. We have enough horses to do that effectively by season end assuming kelce can keep up with this workload.
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Old 10-23-2023, 09:31 AM   #4817
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Nah. Some of us are here for an honest progress report after the game - I count you amongst them even though we have differing levels of patience with these WRs - and others have a desperate agenda and manufacture/invent stats to support their narrative.
Ok fair enough. Appreciate the response
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Old 10-23-2023, 09:41 AM   #4818
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Lets stop getting it to the best player on offense because he's 34? Is taht what we're saying here?
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Old 10-23-2023, 09:56 AM   #4819
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Lets stop getting it to the best player on offense because he's 34? Is taht what we're saying here?
I believe I heard a stat from Petro's show last year where they said the Chiefs have been load managing Kelce for years and he only gets 75-80% of the total snaps.

Looked at the snap count yesterday and yep he had 75%
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Old 10-23-2023, 10:06 AM   #4820
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Lets stop getting it to the best player on offense because he's 34? Is taht what we're saying here?
Nobody said stop getting him the ball. The offense still runs through him. But if a WR is capable of eating secondary targets that’s just a few less times you have to ask kelce to battering ram his way through defenses. Hell, I wouldn’t mind even subbing him out of more packages early in the season to keep him fresh. We’ve played some soft defenses but there are defenses out there that get really chippy with kelce.

Keep in mind juju was getting 8+ targets in half of his games last year and that didn’t mean we stopped going to kelce. I think we all feel rashee will eventually be that kind of target eater but until he does, we are asking kelce to carry a huge weight.
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Old 10-23-2023, 10:08 AM   #4821
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Its no surprise we bring back Hardman and we immediately look better.
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Old 10-23-2023, 10:09 AM   #4822
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Its no surprise we bring back Hardman and we immediately look better.


Hardman had one ****ing catch you buffoon. He had very little to do with the offense looking better.
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Old 10-23-2023, 10:10 AM   #4823
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Nobody said stop getting him the ball. The offense still runs through him. But if a WR is capable of eating secondary targets that’s just a few less times you have to ask kelce to battering ram his way through defenses. Hell, I wouldn’t mind even subbing him out of more packages early in the season to keep him fresh. We’ve played some soft defenses but there are defenses out there that get really chippy with kelce.

Keep in mind juju was getting 8+ targets in half of his games last year and that didn’t mean we stopped going to kelce. I think we all feel rashee will eventually be that kind of target eater but until he does, we are asking kelce to carry a huge weight.
Yes, all time great players carry a huge weight. Stop selling the guy short.
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Old 10-23-2023, 10:12 AM   #4824
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They threw it 42 times yesterday and Kelce was targeted 13 times.
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Old 10-23-2023, 10:18 AM   #4825
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The issue is, today's 14 million dollars is yesterdays 7 in terms of NFL WR contracts.

I wouldn't pay MVS that and it's too much of a savings to move on for sure. Hardman could probably be kept around for 6-7 million. I'd trade out those 2 pretty easily.

They do need another big time talent in the room though.
Yeah I'm thinking they're gonna have 2 major decisions this Spring: Chris Jones and Donovan Smith.

I think you make room to give Smith a raise to stay for a few years. He's only 30 and looks really good in this offense.
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Yeah I'm thinking they're gonna have 2 major decisions this Spring: Chris Jones and Donovan Smith.

I think you make room to give Smith a raise to stay for a few years. He's only 30 and looks really good in this offense.
Depends what Smith is wanting. I wouldn't mind keeping him around on a nice deal, not high end LT money though.

They can't let Jones walk. Worst case you tag and trade him but he's playing at such an elite level, I don't know that you can let him leave KC
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Old 10-23-2023, 10:28 AM   #4827
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Yes, all time great players carry a huge weight. Stop selling the guy short.
Who is selling him short? It’s not that he can’t do it. It’s about load management.

But on top of that, there will be defenses that can “neutralize” kelce in spots especially if we’re putting it all on him. You can’t put all your eggs in one basket. We will eventually play defenses who can keep kelce a little more in check. We gotta get players who can do more than just play off kelce dominating. I think we can get there but we don’t seem there yet.
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Its no surprise we bring back Hardman and we immediately look better.
Hardman played 16% of the offensive snaps
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It was so hilarious that the Chargers went 3 quarters without doubling Kelce. Its like a gift everytime teams play zone against us. Kelce and Pat decimate it. Just put someone on Kelce at all times and force the other guys to beat you.
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They may not come from anywhere. This may be his role on the 2023 Chiefs.

That hardly means he's a lost cause or beyond redemption.
No, but what it does mean is that he's not this super-star stud "1st round talent" that so many were declaring during TC.

He is NOT a rookie. This is his 2nd year. He was in the WR room learning the offense and studying film etc for an entire season last year.
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