***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by louie aguiar

I would prioritize essential workers such as those working in grocery stores, pharmacies, etc before teachers. Teacher's unions are incredibly strong, though, so that will likely help push them up the list. I just hope the distribution isn't a politicized shit-show.

I don't agree. Grocery stores and etc. have not been places of outbreaks or clusters. Kids however are being held out of school so, yeah, Teachers first.

The Teacher's Union is the one pushing for remote learning as well so yeah, take the vaccine and get your ass in class.

[O.city]

Teachers would be a good place to start as well.

I'd prioritize it as "what allows us to get the economy and businesses back up and going the quickest and most efficient" after I inoculated the population where the vast majority of deaths are coming from.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Kidd Lex

Where’s the multitudes of posters coming in to say they were wrong about the vaccine being possible? It’s amazing to look back through those debates in this thread and now that the science is proven they are nowhere to be found. Some amazing stupidity on display, and now I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to see those same dipshits come up with reasons not to get the vaccine....

One very cool thing (very minor compared to ending the pandemic) that I haven’t seen mentioned too much about this vaccines efficacy, the possibility of ending or shortening common colds. Could easily be cross reactive to many of the Coronavirus lines, and one has to wonder if they can use this science to create vaccines for multitudes of more serious viruses that afflict humanity.

There's no evidence that the vaccine will work long term nor is there any evidence that it does not have any deleterious side effects.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

My 7-year-old woke up all sneezy, snotty, watery eyes, and low energy.

No temp yet. And have been home-schooling with very little contact outside of the house.

....everyone is in panic mode at case de Tomahawk.

I'm guessing it's a cold from the weather change, but the mrs. and older brother are treating him like he has the plague.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

My 7-year-old woke up all sneezy, snotty, watery eyes, and low energy.

No temp yet. And have been home-schooling with very little contact outside of the house.

....everyone is in panic mode at case de Tomahawk.

I'm guessing it's a cold from the weather change, but the mrs. and older brother are treating him like he has the plague.

I know they list literally everything as a symptom of Covid but generally speaking runny nose and congestion is not high on the list as well as sneezing.

Sounds like a classic cold. Hope the little one gets better soon.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Teachers would be a good place to start as well.

I'd prioritize it as "what allows us to get the economy and businesses back up and going the quickest and most efficient" after I inoculated the population where the vast majority of deaths are coming from.

Yep. older\high risk, front line workers and teachers.....

from there on out I would just ration based on age and underlying.

If you are 50 with no underlying you may get it after the 25 year old with underlying. Then again the 50 year old with no underlying gets it before the 25 year old with no underlying.

[petegz28]

Oh, and if you decline the vaccine your ass goes to the back of the line unless your employer afterwards mandates it or something.

[Donger]

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/11/29/...covid-fatigue/

El Paso Mayor Says Recent COVID-19 Spike Due To ‘Fatigue,’ Many Cases Coming From Shopping At Large Retailers

The mayor also mentioned what contact tracers have been finding in regards to how residents are catching the virus.

“We did a deep dive in our contact tracing for the week of November the 10th through the 16th and found that 55% of the positives were coming from shopping at large retailers, what we’d term as the big box stores,” Margo said. “And those are considered essential under CISA guidelines under homeland security. And we don’t really have- I don’t have any control over any limitations there.”

[dirk digler]

I would do

1. Health care workers
2. Elderly
3. Essential workers

Once that is done they should have enough vaccine for anyone that wants it.

[BigCatDaddy]

Teachers should be high on the list. The amount of teachers and students being quarantined forcing online learning and the canceling of events needs to end.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Teachers should be high on the list. The amount of teachers and students being quarantined forcing online learning and the canceling of events needs to end.

Teachers are part of the essential workers groups in most states.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Teachers should be high on the list. The amount of teachers and students being quarantined forcing online learning and the canceling of events needs to end.

Yep. And strippers.

[Rain Man]

If we think long term, it should be prioritized by the inverse of our carbon footprint. Do you wander the earth clad only in a worn pair of pants fashioned from twigs and leaves? You're first. Do you own a private jet? Move to the back of the line, buddy.

[dirk digler]

We also need to make sure Mahomes\Reid are at the top of the list.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Yep. And strippers.

Nah. If you aren't departing with the gift of Covid you will just be departing with something else. It's expected.