***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You really want to see civil unrest, try that bullshit. Truth is by Jan 21st there will be no lockdowns.

Well it depends on your definition of lockdown. Many cities and states are now restricting certain activities.

There won’t be a Wuhan style lockdown if that is what you mean.

[O.city]

The problem is with no vaccine or other way to shield it, hunkering down those that need to be just isn’t feasible. Best bet is to keep infection rates everywhere low, but that’s not feasible either at this point.

And the issue with businesses isn’t just the restrictions. People don’t feel safe because of the virus. They aren’t going out and eating restaurants like they would be without a pandemic

[Donger]

1,920 deaths reported today.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Bowser

That option just isn't viable

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You really want to see civil unrest, try that bullshit. Truth is by Jan 21st there will be no lockdowns.

I'm hopeful for a good vaccine. I also posted that a balance would be preferable. Much of that balance comes from adopting a common attitude against a common enemy.

My estimations are based solely on that we need to get through this next wave. That's at least through the end of the year (vaccine not withstanding). I haven't been paying that much attention to support services but I hope we at least are ramping that up with people, beds, and PPE stuffs.

To your points, yea. When we came out of (semi) lockdown, this town went nuts and got outside doing what we do here. I, for one, predicted it in this thread. I'm rambling now and I don't know why.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Well it depends on your definition of lockdown. Many cities and states are now restricting certain activities.

Oh Im well aware.

[KCUnited]

If people weren’t comfortable going out we wouldn’t need to restrict businesses

[O.city]

Just being realistic with the situation would be the best bet.

It’s gonna get worse going forward before it gets better. We hope we’ll have 20 million people vaccinated by the first of the year, so things will start getting better.

But we’re gonna have a lot of illness and death between now and then

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by eDave

I'm hopeful for a good vaccine. I also posted that a balance would be preferable. Much of that balance comes from adopting a common attitude against a common enemy.

My estimations are based solely on that we need to get through this next wave. That's at least through the end of the year (vaccine not withstanding). I haven't been paying that much attention to support services but I hope we at least are ramping that up with people, beds, and PPE stuffs.

Dave not being a dick here but you are advocating for lockdowns and traveling from Arizona to KC next week and worried about being able to go to concert at a music venue.

That is massively hypocritical.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Mask mandates have been done. They don't seem to work for whatever reason.

Fake news. No one thinks masks are a panacea. But they help slow the spread. That’s a Fact.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Dave not being a dick here but you are advocating for lockdowns and traveling from Arizona to KC next week and worried about being able to go to concert at a music venue.

That is massively hypocritical.

I've never ever thought of you as a dick in any way nor at any time. But I take a slight issue with your conjecture of hypocrisy. I'm fine either way. Was just giving an opinion on how to get er dun, dude.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

The problem is with no vaccine or other way to shield it, hunkering down those that need to be just isn’t feasible. Best bet is to keep infection rates everywhere low, but that’s not feasible either at this point.

And the issue with businesses isn’t just the restrictions. People don’t feel safe because of the virus. They aren’t going out and eating restaurants like they would be without a pandemic

Probably half our country of more has multi generational households. It is impossible to segregate like that.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Fake news. No one thinks masks are a panacea. But they help slow the spread. That’s a Fact.

Why is it blowing up now? You think there was sudden drop in mask wearing that explains it?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Donger

1,920 deaths reported today.

Over 250,000 dead Americans due to this Covid plague.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Fake news. No one thinks masks are a panacea. But they help slow the spread. That’s a Fact.

At the very least they give people a sense of some type of security and assurance that they're "doing their part".

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Probably half our country of more has multi generational households. It is impossible to segregate like that.

Maybe, maybe 25%. Assuming you mean multi generation in terms of people over 60 along with younger people.