***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

So let me ask everyone a question...If you don't believe that we should be closing indoor activities, schools or a full lockdown how would you handle the huge spread that is going on across the country right now? What should we being doing?

https://www.cdc.gov/nonpharmaceutica...attendees.html

They had all this worked out years before.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Here's a better question - what makes you think a "full lockdown" will do anything?

https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost...ostcount=47131

We've seen it work. This isn't the first time I've presented this case, Bowser.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

A full lockdown will stop the virus but has many other problems that we shouldn’t do that now

I am sincerely asking what should our plan be to stop all the spread and death.

I wish I had a good answer to this. Unfortunately, I don't. I'm very against locking down, but am not opposed to SOME other measures being taken.

Schools should remain open though.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by eDave

https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost...ostcount=47131

We've seen it work. This isn't the first time I've presented this case, Bowser.

If it worked why do we have to do it again?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TLO

I wish I had a good answer to this. Unfortunately, I don't. I'm very against locking down, but am not opposed to SOME other measures being taken.

Schools should remain open though.

Some schools in our area are having to shut down because to many teachers sick

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

A full lockdown will stop the virus but has many other problems that we shouldn’t do that now

I am sincerely asking what should our plan be to stop all the spread and death.

No it won't. People need to get this through their heads, the virus is not going away, okay? It's here. It's not going to die. It's not going to disappear. You can hide in your house all you want but as long as there is one person or maybe even animal that has the virus it is not going to simply "go away".

A full lockdown will not "stop the virus". You would literally have to lock down any and everything that had the virus across the globe for an extended period of time.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

If it worked why do we have to do it again?

It did work

It doesn’t keep infections down for long term and it’s not a long term solution.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Here's a better question - what makes you think a "full lockdown" will do anything?

Originally Posted by petegz28

If it worked why do we have to do it again?

Neither of these are answers to the question, you Dongers.

[O.city]

Locking down gets it to levels that can be managed. It’s not a “solution” in terms of stopping the virus long term

[O.city]

I’d say just ride it out. If you’re under 60 and not high risk just tough it out at home if you get sick. Save the hospitals for those who really need it

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

It did work

It doesn’t keep infections down for long term and it’s not a long term solution.

I was being a smart ass, sorry....

[MahomesMagic]

I would also get cases down 60 to 80% simply by recalibrating the PCR tests to 30.

Then you also would need a symptom to go along with a PCR positive test.

Boom, cases almost gone.

If you look at the vaccine companies that is what they are doing..not using cranked up PCR tests without symptoms. They know and so should we.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Neither of these are answers to the question, you Dongers.

You call me a Donger again and we are going to have to step outside. I'd glove slap your face if you were in front of me right now, I kid you not!

[eDave]

Originally Posted by petegz28

If it worked why do we have to do it again?

Originally Posted by O.city

It did work

It doesn’t keep infections down for long term and it’s not a long term solution.

Cause we opened back up, as represented in the graphs.

Originally Posted by petegz28

I was being a smart ass, sorry....

Oh. Got me. ha!

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

I’d say just ride it out. If you’re under 60 and not high risk just tough it out at home if you get sick. Save the hospitals for those who really need it

That's really just it. Possibility vs. Probability. We are too much into this "if it can happen it's going to happen!" mode anymore.