***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Kman34]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

one other thing...Do not go on cruises during a global pandemic. Seriously, there is some really stupid people

JUST IN: The ship's captain announces 5 people have tested positive for #COVID19 on SeaDream 1, the first cruise ship to embark on a voyage in the Caribbean since the #coronavirus shut down the cruise industry.

— Ana Cabrera (@AnaCabrera) November 12, 2020

JFC.. People are so stupid..

[O.city]

Yeah, I'm not goin on a floating petri dish. No thanks.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

one other thing...Do not go on cruises during a global pandemic. Seriously, there is some really stupid people

JUST IN: The ship's captain announces 5 people have tested positive for #COVID19 on SeaDream 1, the first cruise ship to embark on a voyage in the Caribbean since the #coronavirus shut down the cruise industry.

— Ana Cabrera (@AnaCabrera) November 12, 2020

I'm sure they got a really good deal though.

[TLO]

They should have hired Capitan Obvious to sail that ship and tell people it was a bad idea to get on board in the first place.

[petegz28]

Okay so, true story....

A co-worker quarantined himself after he found out I had Covid. He was pressured to get tested. He explained to the particular group pressuring him that he cannot drive and he wasn't going to Uber and expose others to him. He was told he probably had Covid. He said he had about half a day where he was a little congested and that was it. They insisted he get tested even saying he should call an ambulance to take him to get tested!!!

He continued to refuse and said he would do his quarantine. Finally they relented and said even if he got tested at that point it would be pointless (pun intended). The still however insisted that he "probably" had Covid.

Now, give me the over\under that he was counted as a case.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Okay so, true story....

A co-worker quarantined himself after he found out I had Covid. He was pressured to get tested. He explained to the particular group pressuring him that he cannot drive and he wasn't going to Uber and expose others to him. He was told he probably had Covid. He said he had about half a day where he was a little congested and that was it. They insisted he get tested even saying he should call an ambulance to take him to get tested!!!

He continued to refuse and said he would do his quarantine. Finally they relented and said even if he got tested at that point it would be pointless (pun intended). The still however insisted that he "probably" had Covid.

Now, give me the over\under that he was counted as a case.

"Probable case"

[petegz28]

Good news\Bad news....

Bad news..

ICU is getting hit and down to 15% available beds in the KC area. 25% of ICU beds are Covid at the moment.

Daily new hospitalizations are still spiking and still mostly from the Mo side but the Ks side is starting to rise.

Good News...

Hospitalizations to Cases rate is lower than it was a week ago and about the same level it has been running since August

Daily New deaths are dropping significantly across the KC area. Overall and on the Ks side the rate is at its lowest since March. The Mo side is at its lowest since June.

Regular hospital beds are still at are at 33% which is around average availability.

[Kman34]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Good news\Bad news....

Bad news..

ICU is getting hit and down to 15% available beds in the KC area. 25% of ICU beds are Covid at the moment.

Daily new hospitalizations are still spiking and still mostly from the Mo side but the Ks side is starting to rise.

Good News...

Hospitalizations to Cases rate is lower than it was a week ago and about the same level it has been running since August

Daily New deaths are dropping significantly across the KC area. Overall and on the Ks side the rate is at its lowest since March. The Mo side is at its lowest since June.

Regular hospital beds are still at are at 33% which is around average availability.

Where do you find this information? Thanks..

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Donger

I'm sure they got a really good deal though.

I've read that the cruise lines are doing some free cruises as they test out their Covid protocols. It looks like they need a little more work.

[Rain Man]

I saw the first harbinger of a good future today. I got an advertisement in the mail for a cruise. I haven't seen one of those in a long time. That must mean that they're starting to gear back up for normal business at some point in the measurable future.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Kman34

Where do you find this information? Thanks..

https://marc2.org/covidhub/

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by TLO

My theory

1. More testing
2. More people congregating indoors due to colder weather
3. Less people caring about masks and social distancing

I would say mostly 3. In particular, Young people that think there direct consequences from getting covid are low, which is generally true. But some of them still end up in the hospital and some of them end up spreading it to higher risk individuals, sometimes extended family.

Bars being open is a mistake. I think colleges should be primarily online where practical. Obviously some classes can't be. But too many colleges started out in person for everyone.

The only one I would have really tried to keep in person the whole time is K-6.

[Demonpenz]

close casino's please good god

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

close casino's please good god

They were one the last places affected last time we shut down here. The casino's are ****ing bulletproof. ****ing croneyism and corruption at its finest.

[petegz28]

CA is opening strip clubs but not churches....


What is "the reason people don't take Covid seriously"?