***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by tooge

Totally agree. Isn't the death rate still lower than it was in the spring? If not then lock downs may be coming. If it is, then I don't get why all the fuss about cases rising

We've only had a week and a half of 100k plus cases a day. Your not going to see the deaths for weeks. Also due to delay of reporting. I imagine our ability bto treat individuals with Covid19 has improved but running out of ventilators and the drugs used to treat these individuals is a concern

[O.city]

Originally Posted by tooge

Totally agree. Isn't the death rate still lower than it was in the spring? If not then lock downs may be coming. If it is, then I don't get why all the fuss about cases rising

It was for a long while. With cases and hospitalizations going back up, last I saw, deaths were ticking back up as well.

For deaths to have been what they were early with this, we had to have missed a metric ton of cases.

[O.city]

With the therapeutics being ok'd and vaccines, we'll be out of this thing alot sooner than later.

We've got a rough couple months ahead. Put your head down, figure out how to follow public health guidelines to the best of your ability and to your preferred level (seriously, stop with the demands. This is what will work, this won't, use caution and do what you need to do individiually) and we will get thru.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

It was for a long while. With cases and hospitalizations going back up, last I saw, deaths were ticking back up as well.

For deaths to have been what they were early with this, we had to have missed a metric ton of cases.

We were definitely missing the vast majority of cases. We were also putting everyone on a ventilator which we later learned wasn't best practice.

We have the tools and knowledge to treat people much more effectively now. But if we run out of staff/space none of that is going to matter

[TLO]

A theraputic option that can be taken at home is what we really need

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by tooge

Totally agree. Isn't the death rate still lower than it was in the spring? If not then lock downs may be coming. If it is, then I don't get why all the fuss about cases rising

Originally Posted by BWillie

We've only had a week and a half of 100k plus cases a day. Your not going to see the deaths for weeks. Also due to delay of reporting. I imagine our ability bto treat individuals with Covid19 has improved but running out of ventilators and the drugs used to treat these individuals is a concern

That's not exactly right. In the second wave deaths peaked 7 days after cases peaked. The waves pretty much held that 7 day lag and the cases rose significantly more than deaths.

[petegz28]

some perspective...

[BigRedChief]

Dr. Fauci interview today:

• I trust Pfizer
• Emergency authorization has been submitted
• CDC safety board reviewing the vaccine
• Hope to have first doses out the door by the end of December
• I would take the vaccine. Recommend to my family and others.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Dr. Fauci interview today:

• I trust Pfizer
• Emergency authorization has been submitted
• CDC safety board reviewing the vaccine
• Hope to have first doses out the door by the end of December
• I would take the vaccine. Recommend to my family and others.

Emergency authorization has already been submitted? I thought we were still a few weeks away from that?

[TLO]

And I know how much you like people asking for links, but I'm not seeing any Fauci interviews from today. Who was the interview with?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TLO

Emergency authorization has already been submitted? I thought we were still a few weeks away from that?

If you have enough data, do it. Another week isn't gonna tell you anything you don't know now.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by TLO

Emergency authorization has already been submitted? I thought we were still a few weeks away from that?

interview on MSNBC with Andrea Mitchel. Interview still going on.

Edit: DVR’d 20 minute interview starting at noon eastern time.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

interview on MSNBC with Andrea Mitchel. Interview still going on.

Great. Thank you!

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

If you have enough data, do it. Another week isn't gonna tell you anything you don't know now.

I agree. But they were going on about safety data and the need to wait a couple weeks yesterday. If they've been able to bypass that then great!

If places have the storage capacity, I say start shipping out the vaccine now. Have it ready to start going in arms as soon as approval is given.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

If you haven't integrated the conversation with meat packing plants, you can't take any credit for anything.

I’m still a little rusty. Forgive

Originally Posted by loochy

How are we doing on ventilators?

tens of thousands to spare. You need one?