***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[KCUnited]

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Hey that's great.

So why did it take 102 years for "the experts" to come to such a conclusion?

Hell, even Marcellus answered this:

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Bringing in opinions from people back in Feb and March is extremely disingenuous to the current conversation and you know it.

[philfree]

Why are normally intelligent people so dumb?

So one of my employees had a fever. He took some Tylenol/Advil and it went away but then it came back. So he decided to get a covid test. Not before he came into the office though. And then neither my service manager or my office manager called and told me. Between covid and moving I haven't been in the office regular. Well today I was bumming out about not being in the office this week so I went to the office. Normally when I get to the office I just go to the service office and sit and talk with my service manager. So as I'm sitting there today he tells me about the employee taking a covid test. He's been working with this guy constantly but instead of thinking that maybe he should quarantine he's at work in the office. Well the employee came back with a positive test so now my service manager and my office manager both have been exposed. And while I never got within 6' of them I've been exposed possibly. Got damned dumb asses.

[TLO]

New SARS-CoV-2 study published in Nature shows cross-reactive T cell responses in 81% of unexposed individuals.

Dr Fauci denies this mounting evidence for cross-reactivity and calls it “cherry-picking data” though.https://t.co/pr1jqSSUOa

— James Todaro, MD (@JamesTodaroMD) October 1, 2020

Ignore the possibly politically driven second sentence.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by sedated

Hell, even Marcellus answered this:

Last I checked, the physics of whether or not the proper utilization of X, Y or Z material resulting effectively (or not) in blocking viral particles wasn't an "opinion."

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Last I checked, the physics of whether or not the proper utilization of X, Y or Z material resulting effectively (or not) in blocking viral particles wasn't an "opinion."

Novel (adjective):

: new and not resembling something formerly known or used

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/novel


Even the "experts" were in a panic to get information about a million different things. Research takes time, confirmation of hypotheses takes even longer.

[Bob Dole]

CASES!!!

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

CASES!!!

Caseademic

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Caseademic

Grow up dude .

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Denver built an emergency covid hospital in the downtown convention center.
It has never been used.
It is costing the city/tax payers $60,000 a day
around 14 mill to date.

Had I seen the china virus coming I would of gotten into the convention center biz

[O.city]

Looks like if you’re under 65 the ifr will end up being about 0.3.

Over that it substantially goes up. So if you’re over 65, be pretty cautious. Every one be careful and take your precautions.

They took my aunt and uncle to the hospital today and admitted them, they seem to be doing ok so far. Hopefully they pull thru ok.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

Looks like if you’re under 65 the ifr will end up being about 0.3.

Over that it substantially goes up. So if you’re over 65, be pretty cautious. Every one be careful and take your precautions.

They took my aunt and uncle to the hospital today and admitted them, they seem to be doing ok so far. Hopefully they pull thru ok.

Damn man how many family members have been effected at this point?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

Looks like if you’re under 65 the ifr will end up being about 0.3.

Over that it substantially goes up. So if you’re over 65, be pretty cautious. Every one be careful and take your precautions.

They took my aunt and uncle to the hospital today and admitted them, they seem to be doing ok so far. Hopefully they pull thru ok.

0.3 across all ranges below 65?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Damn man how many family members have been effected at this point?

So far 3 deaths, 3 currently hospitalized and 2 released from hospital recovering.

15 have tested positive

[Monticore]

That’s is pretty brutal man , Very sorry for your losses , stay safe.