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06-22-2021, 11:14 PM | #31 | |
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The 2006 loss to the Patriots was in large part due to an incredibly fluke fumble on an interception return that Marty wasted his last timeout on an unsuccessful challenge in addition to Kaeding shitting the bed He went toe to toe with the 2007 Patriots on a torn ACL in the AFC Championship game in Foxboro. Yes, his team didn’t make the SB, took advantage of a down AFC West for like 5 years, but he still played at a high level. Ryan’s probably in for longevity along with multiple PO appearances and a MVP. Stafford is similar caliber of him but was stuck in Detroit. |
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06-22-2021, 11:26 PM | #32 | |
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Okay. Then put Chris Johnson in the HOF. You run for 2000, you get in the hall! Then they hem and haw about "Well, it was the 2000 yard season in a Super Bowl year, and blah blah blah..." |
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06-22-2021, 11:35 PM | #33 |
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There's going to have to be a new more stringent benchmark for QBs in the HOF. QB play used to boil down to throwing more TDs than INTs in a season, and the guys who did that consistently got in the HOF (and they also had to win Super Bowls and/or have legendary and lengthy careers).
It's pretty easy for any asshat these days to meet those standards, so the NFL HOF is going to have to start being choosy. Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, and Matt Stafford all have HOF career numbers, but you're going to put all three of those guys in the hall? You start doing that and pretty soon you won't have room for any of the other legendary players at other positions. You keep going down this path and it becomes a slippery slope to putting Kirk Cousins, Ryan Tannehill, Derek Carr, and Cam Newton in the hall, too. It's gotta stop at some point. Draw the line and mark it clearly for ****'s sake. |
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06-22-2021, 11:38 PM | #34 | |
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And trust me, Rivers got a lot those calls. |
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06-22-2021, 11:48 PM | #35 |
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Rivers and Eli have the stats to be considered, but Rivers probably won't get in because of his utter lack of playoff success.
Eli will get in in large part because his brother is considered perhaps the best QB of all time. But the fact is, that outside of two Rings and some flashes of brilliance in those two playoff runs, Eli was statistically exactly dead-nuts average as an NFL QB. And even in those SB runs, look at his numbers; a tick over 200 yds/gm, a bit over 60% completion percentage, just 6 Td passes in 2007 through 4 games, and 9 in 2011 campaign, so something less than 2 Tds/game and a couple ticks over 2 TDs a game in 2011. Whoopee. But TD/INT ratio, the one stat that jumps out at you. 3:1 in 2007, and a whopping 9:1 in 2011. Outside of that one stat line, Eli was basically Teddy Bridgewater. |
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06-23-2021, 12:01 AM | #36 | |
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06-23-2021, 12:02 AM | #37 |
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Eli is like Trent Dilfer if Trent Dilfer was carried to one more Superbowl by that defense. The only thing Eli had to do was not **** it up, and he did that, but not **** it up doesn't deserve to be in the hall of fame.
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06-23-2021, 12:10 AM | #38 |
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Eli - 50% Jim Plunkett - 50% playoff record Eli 8-4, 2 SB wins Plunkett 8-2, 2 SB wins |
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06-23-2021, 12:40 AM | #39 | |
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Honestly the two QBs in recent years who really turned it on in the playoffs and just had a lights out playoff run all the way through were Joe Flacco and Nick Foles. |
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06-23-2021, 12:53 AM | #40 |
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Eli won SB's Rivers none. Eli deserves it Rivers if he gets in Its a sham. Rivers only deserves HOF of crybaby whiners.
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06-23-2021, 06:25 AM | #41 | |
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06-23-2021, 08:02 AM | #42 |
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Eli was NEVER one of the best QB during his time in the league.
Not even top 10. ****ing reeruned he can ride the backs of his superbowl defense and somehow eventually will get inducted into Canton, at least most people believe he will. Not deserving at all......same with Rivers. Rivers was a choke artist. You can't be a chokeartist and be in the HoF, man. |
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06-23-2021, 08:15 AM | #43 | |
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Rivers, on the other hand, was definitely top 5 pretty frequently and generally at least top 8. He was a very good QB for quite a while, but the lack of postseason success really kills him. And I really hate to judge QBs by team accolades, but at some point I kind of feel like, if you truly are that great, you would have won something of significance at some point in a 15+ year career. |
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06-23-2021, 08:20 AM | #44 |
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And let's not forget the bitch move Eli pulled for them to get them where they ended up in the first place
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06-23-2021, 08:23 AM | #45 |
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My rule is simple. If we need to debate it, that player is not deserving of induction. Neither player (nor Frank Gore) should be inducted. The longer this thread goes, the more correct is the theory.
Conversely, if someone started a thread asking if Drew Brees was HOF worthy, the discussion wouldn't last long. Last edited by Gary Cooper; 06-23-2021 at 08:30 AM.. |
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