***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

If they committed suicide because of one semester of not being able to physically go to school they probably weren't going to do very well in real life.

Many humans around the globe face much much tougher challenges than having to zoom for a year of school. Yet somehow they cope.

The fear of course is the college kids coming back home with it and killing their parents or grandparents.

JFC what a shithead post.....I mean ****ing WOW!

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by jdubya

SF Bay Area has almost 9 million people. I just read there are about 350 people hospitalized in Bay Area hospitals for covid.........

But how many "cases"?

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Now do the suicide rate of teenagers and college kids - which is what I was responding to. Provide a link please.

Or even provide a link that suicide rates are up significantly since Feb. I've been googling a ton and all I find is speculation and stuff about suicidal ideation and how to get help.

This suicide stuff has been a big talking point of the people who claim we can't look at excess deaths as any kind of metric (because of supposed massive amounts of quarantine suicide). I'm not buying it.

You are a giant POS... Thanks for proving it... Many kids have had a rough patch in their teens and early 20's and make it through just fine and realize they were young and were lucky they didn't make a dumb decision... To say that Covid-19 isn't putting more kids in a position to make a poor decision, or they aren't tough enough is sad for you...

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6932a1.htm

Elevated levels of adverse mental health conditions, substance use, and suicidal ideation were reported by adults in the United States in June 2020. The prevalence of symptoms of anxiety disorder was approximately three times those reported in the second quarter of 2019 (25.5% versus 8.1%), and prevalence of depressive disorder was approximately four times that reported in the second quarter of 2019 (24.3% versus 6.5%) (2). However, given the methodological differences and potential unknown biases in survey designs, this analysis might not be directly comparable with data reported on anxiety and depression disorders in 2019 (2). Approximately one quarter of respondents reported symptoms of a TSRD related to the pandemic, and approximately one in 10 reported that they started or increased substance use because of COVID-19. Suicidal ideation was also elevated; approximately twice as many respondents reported serious consideration of suicide in the previous 30 days than did adults in the United States in 2018, referring to the previous 12 months (10.7% versus 4.3%) (6).

GFY

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Fish

To be honest though, it's not really unexpected that the suicide rate would go up. Any forced isolation would do so. But that shouldn't really be used as evidence that lockdowns and mitigation are a bad thing. Not that you are doing so, but that's generally the insinuation with that kind of statement. If there were a nuclear detonation in the US, it would also require forced isolation. Which would also increase depression and suicide rates. We are very social creatures. That doesn't mean the danger of radiation isn't legitimate. Just that isolation increases the chances depression/suicide/etc. regardless of cause.

It's not about proving that lockdowns are BAD thing. It's about taking all factors into account before forcing otherwise healthy people to wall themselves off from society.

Just like everything else in this God-forsaken country, any attempt at balance is met with vitriol and venom.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Fish

To be honest though, it's not really unexpected that the suicide rate would go up. Any forced isolation would do so. But that shouldn't really be used as evidence that lockdowns and mitigation are a bad thing. Not that you are doing so, but that's generally the insinuation with that kind of statement. If there were a nuclear detonation in the US, it would also require forced isolation. Which would also increase depression and suicide rates. We are very social creatures. That doesn't mean the danger of radiation isn't legitimate. Just that isolation increases the chances depression/suicide/etc. regardless of cause.

Read your post above slowly... Do you still think it makes sense? Forced isolation for a virus that has little risk to young people is not the same as a nuclear detonation that would be nearly 100% fatal if exposed... My god... seriously?

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

You are a giant POS... Thanks for proving it... Many kids have had a rough patch in their teens and early 20's and make it through just fine and realize they were young and were lucky they didn't make a dumb decision... To say that Covid-19 isn't putting more kids in a position to make a poor decision, or they aren't tough enough is sad for you...

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6932a1.htm

GFY

Wait, so now you trust the CDC?

I agree obviously this pandemic has been hard on everyone - especially people who have gotten really sick, lost loved ones, or died. But there is no data yet that suicides are actually up - which is what I was responding to. What I do know is quarantine suicides is a big talking point among the covid denier crowd right now - largely to discredit looking at excess deaths to validate covid deaths.

You know what else really messes with kids' heads? Accidentally giving their grandma covid and killing her. Also school shootings - they talk about it all the time. But I've been told they should just suck it up and realize their odds of actually dying in one are really low. I never get a lot of empathy about depressed or fearful unstable high school kids coming from the same crowd on that one. So forgive me if I don't take this massive surge in empathy for depressed high school kids from people like you and bigcatdaddy at face value.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Elevated levels of adverse mental health conditions, substance use, and suicidal ideation were reported by adults in the United States in June 2020. The prevalence of symptoms of anxiety disorder was approximately three times those reported in the second quarter of 2019 (25.5% versus 8.1%), and prevalence of depressive disorder was approximately four times that reported in the second quarter of 2019 (24.3% versus 6.5%) (2). However, given the methodological differences and potential unknown biases in survey designs, this analysis might not be directly comparable with data reported on anxiety and depression disorders in 2019 (2). Approximately one quarter of respondents reported symptoms of a TSRD related to the pandemic, and approximately one in 10 reported that they started or increased substance use because of COVID-19. Suicidal ideation was also elevated; approximately twice as many respondents reported serious consideration of suicide in the previous 30 days than did adults in the United States in 2018, referring to the previous 12 months (10.7% versus 4.3%) (6).

Why did you post that in response to his post?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Question boy at it again

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's not about proving that lockdowns are BAD thing. It's about taking all factors into account before forcing otherwise healthy people to wall themselves off from society.

Just like everything else in this God-forsaken country, any attempt at balance is met with vitriol and venom.

Aren't most schools at least trying to open right now - and only get shut down when a big outbreak happens? Aren't even bars open to some degree in MO again? That seems like an attempt at balance to me.

What exactly is unbalanced - not having full football stadiums or having to wear a mask at Walgreens? What isn't open?

[htismaqe]

https://www.dupageco.org/Coroner/Cor...Qh57IyxRdW6fHM

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Donger

Why did you post that in response to his post?

Because it's the only thing you can find on the internet about covid suicides. I searched like crazy. The head of the CDC saying there are warning signs that people aren't doing well.

Yeah no shit. I'm not doing well at all. But I realize there's a pandemic going on, and life isn't going back to normal until it's over - no matter what I can or can't do. If I can make a temporary sacrifice to save some lives, I'm willing to do it.

[KCUnited]

That privilege is thiccc

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

https://www.dupageco.org/Coroner/Cor...Qh57IyxRdW6fHM

10 more suicides in one county could be something, or it could be variance. You'd need to see a bigger aggregate.

Dr Jorgensen stated “Evaluation of each case reveals a common thread. Almost every case of suicide revealed that the deceased person had a history of mental health issues, depression, personal, financial or marital problems, previous drug dependence or rehabilitation or were divorced, never married or living alone.

Isn't this pretty much descriptive of people who kill themselves at all times, not just covid?

If it turns out covid social distancing really leads to a 20% increase in suicide, that is definitely something to think about. But at the same time - what is the argument here? That we should just let the hospitals overflow to the point people are being told to just die at home en masse - which happened in Italy, came an eyelash from happening in NYC, and has already sort-of happened in places like New Orleans? That's a pretty catastrophic outcome - and why pretty much every state has had to do something when the hospitals start to fill up.

It seems like most places are trying to find a balance right now, to let people get outside, to eat out, to do things that are relatively (but not completely), safe. So I'd like to hear specifically what is so onerous right now?

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

That privilege is thiccc

Says the guy who makes a flippant minimalizing joke about "diabeetus" - like trying to help people at risk of dying from covid is a big joke. Check your own healthy person privilege.

A friend of mine has juvenile diabetes and now advanced kidney disease. She has to go to dialysis 4x a week. She can't just stay inside. If she gets it she's dead, and she knows it. You're basically implying her life isn't worth trying to save if it involves any amount of sacrifice by others.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Says the guy who makes a flippant joke about "diabeetus" - like trying to keep people at risk of dying from covid safe is a big joke.

What you’re suggesting about depression is the same as those asking people who’ve already lived a full life to make the ultimate sacrifice for the rest of us.

:Spider-Man: pointing at himself meme: