***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Donger

After some reading, it does sound like some of the European countries which are seeing big spikes in cases are handling it pretty well. Just like us, many of the new cases are younger people and they aren't seeing the hospitalization rates any where close to when it first hit.

Also on a per capita basis their "big spikes" are usually still like 10x less than our best days since May.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Also on a per capita basis their "big spikes" are usually still like 10x less than our best days since May.

This is not even remotely true. I just looked at Spain, France, the UK etc....and some of their spikes are are actually above most of our recent numbers per capita.

For example September 11th France reported 10K new cases, that would = 50K in the US.

Spain had 7K new cases the 13th which would equal about 50K in the US.

So actually the numbers are in alignment or higher than the US not 10X lower.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

This is not even remotely true. I just looked at Spain, France, the UK etc....and some of their spikes are are actually above most of our recent numbers per capita.

For example September 11th France reported 10K new cases, that would = 50K in the US.

Spain had 7K new cases the 13th which would equal about 50K in the US.

So actually the numbers are in alignment or higher than the US not 10X lower.

US Country Bad!

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

This is not even remotely true. I just looked at Spain, France, the UK etc....and some of their spikes are are actually above most of our recent numbers per capita.

For example September 11th France reported 10K new cases, that would = 50K in the US.

Spain had 7K new cases the 13th which would equal about 50K in the US.

So actually the numbers are in alignment or higher than the US not 10X lower.

Are you going to show your math?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

Are you going to show your math?

Its all right here.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Its all right here.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

That isn't showing the math behind your conclusions regarding cases per capita, and the comparison to us, that you claimed above.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

That isn't showing the math behind your conclusions regarding cases per capita, and the comparison to us, that you claimed above.

Look man, I have no desire to play Donger games, I am going to make this the very short edited version for you and be done.

France for example is 1/5th the population of the us and had 10K new cases. I assume you can figure the rest of the math out.

Spain is < 1/7th the population of the US and the 13th had 7K new cases which is equal to roughly 50K in the US.

Sept 4th is the last time the US hit 50K in new cases.

So no, what I said is not wrong. I am sure you will try to find a single word or nuance to dispute that but the fact remains what Suzzer said is patently false.

And just as a reminder this is what I was responding to.

Fell free to come back at me with some BS, just dont expect another response as I am not playing your stupid ass games.

[Donger]

Okay, let's actually do some math:

USA population = 328,000,000
France population = 67,000,000
Spain population = 47,000,000

Our "best days" since May = ~20,000 cases/day

That's ~61 cases per million pop

France on September 11. 10,000 cases. That's 166 cases per million pop.

Spain, 9/13. 7,000 cases. That's 148 cases per million pop.

So, no, not 10x US per capita, but almost three times.

Multi-tasking, so I hope I got my math correct.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

France for example is 1/5th the population of the us and had 10K new cases. I assume you can figure the rest of the math out.

Spain is < 1/7th the population of the US and the 13th had 7K new cases which is equal to roughly 50K in the US.

That's not how you calculate per capita. Well, maybe it's how you calculate per capita, but it's wrong. You didn't even calculate our "best day" per capita cases, did you? You just multiplied by 5 for some weird reason.

See above.

[Perineum Ripper]

So I got a call a few minutes ago, telling me I’m positive. Only problem is, I haven’t been tested since the last time, which was over a month ago. Told the lady that, she said you had a test done Friday. Nope, then she decided to argue with me when I last had a test.


Supposed to get a call back from someone else there, to figure out what the **** is going on.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by mac459

So I got a call a few minutes ago, telling me I’m positive. Only problem is, I haven’t been tested since the last time, which was over a month ago. Told the lady that, she said you had a test done Friday. Nope, then she decided to argue with me when I last had a test.


Supposed to get a call back from someone else there, to figure out what the **** is going on.

No you didn't.

[Donger]

Good deletion, Marcellus.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

Okay, let's actually do some math:

USA population = 328,000,000
France population = 67,000,000
Spain population = 47,000,000

Our "best days" since May = ~20,000 cases/day

That's ~61 cases per million pop

France on September 11. 10,000 cases. That's 166 cases per million pop.

Spain, 9/13. 7,000 cases. That's 148 cases per million pop.

So, no, not 10x US per capita, but almost three times.

Multi-tasking, so I hope I got my math correct.

You went through all this trouble to prove me correct, and dont even realize it.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by mac459

So I got a call a few minutes ago, telling me I’m positive. Only problem is, I haven’t been tested since the last time, which was over a month ago. Told the lady that, she said you had a test done Friday. Nope, then she decided to argue with me when I last had a test.


Supposed to get a call back from someone else there, to figure out what the **** is going on.

What in the world???

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by TLO

What in the world???

Only people with an AGENDA would ever claim such a thing.