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Game of Thrones Seasons 7-8
About to hit the 5000 post mark on the old thread, the first season 7 trailer today seems like the right time to start the final Game of Thones thread.
I'm going back to the original rules pre-2015. I don't think we need supervision or bannings. Just don't be a dick. Post anything you find online that hasn't aired yet inside of spoiler tags. That's pretty much it. I think we can all handle that... For future us, 2015 thread is here: Link Last edited by keg in kc; 06-21-2017 at 10:48 AM.. |
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05-12-2019, 01:41 PM | #4397 |
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Ep. 5 already has a few hundred 1 star reviews on IMDB.
This season has had its problems, but the brigading has been a bit much. |
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05-12-2019, 01:43 PM | #4398 |
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05-12-2019, 01:57 PM | #4399 |
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05-12-2019, 01:58 PM | #4400 |
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05-12-2019, 02:02 PM | #4401 | |
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1) Sieges are boring. It is mostly two sides just staring at each other till one of them gives. Either the attackers give up and go home* or the defenders run out of food and surrender. Assaulting the walls was a rare thing because taking a castle was extremely dangerous for the attackers. The things were constructed to be murder machines. Even breaching the walls wasn't a victory. 2)It takes a lot of effort to actually make a castle under siege and the siege camp look right. The castle will have built out defenses and the siege camp will have siege equipment and earth works. You would have to cgi most of it. 3) Battles were somewhat rare and usually lasted less than half an hour once forces were engaged. A battle lasting an hour was a long one. Medieval armies tended to be much smaller then is currently imagined. Most were in the thousands rather than tens of thousands. *Knights and such there on feudal obligation weren't getting paid so once their obligation is up and they think that they won't get their money's worth in land or ransom then they will leave. |
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05-12-2019, 02:11 PM | #4402 |
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05-12-2019, 02:16 PM | #4403 |
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To be honest, I feel Season 8 has been around the same quality as Season 7. Reddit and 4chan had just convinced themselves that GRRM’s point of the whole series was a Targ Restoration, and a lot of the criticism is coming from fans who now see this thing is going to wrap itself up with a straight up tragedy.
I think a lot of people looked the other way at Season 7’s problems because they believed Jon and Dany were going to get a happy ending — otherwise eps like Eastwatch and Beyond the Wall should have received way more criticism than they did on IMDB, Rottentomatoes, etc. |
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05-12-2019, 02:25 PM | #4404 |
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Yep. And at this point, there seems to be a bunch of folks locked into that position. Episodes 5 and 6 could be the greatest things ever set forth on television and those folks will bitch and pick it apart. Seems like a bummer to dedicate 8 years of following a fictional television program, only to spend the last couple of months insisting on shitting on the closing of said series. Oh well, to each their own. I’m excited to see how it wraps up.
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05-12-2019, 02:36 PM | #4405 | |
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05-12-2019, 03:14 PM | #4406 | |
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I can still enjoy the show for what it's become. Turn-your-brain-off-at-the-door popcorn entertainment where all anybody is watching for is dopamine hits from fan service nods and cheap, empty shocks when characters die in puzzling, stupid ways. But I also feel disappointed that that's what the show is at the very end, a shadow of what it once was, and less than it should be. But it's not bad. It's okay. |
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05-12-2019, 03:34 PM | #4407 | |
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05-12-2019, 03:59 PM | #4408 | |
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The books really made the reader think that the gist of the end of the story was going to be a lesson about humanity being so focused on squabbles for power that they missed the bigger enemy. Is it possible that this was exactly what GRRM planned? It's possible, but given how concerned he's always been about setting things up and then adding twists on what you expect, that seems highly unlikely. So for me at least, that's what it all comes down to. Episode 3 showed me that the show runners haven't been rushing to the end because they just needed to get there. They're rushing to the end because they don't know WTF to do and never really understood the story in the first place. |
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05-12-2019, 04:04 PM | #4409 | |
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Fans anticipated a cathartic crescendo in the concluding episodes ... not an awkward, nonsensical soap opera that is essentially a bunch of guys dropping their fiddles in a clumsy "danse macabre". Tragedies can be great, too. Not every story needs to have a "happy ending" in order to be effective and wonderful. The problem here is that the fans' ambitions and enthusiasms are incompatible with the writers' abilities. It is what it is. No grand culmination (at least, so far) that answers questions and resolves seemingly crucial implications established earlier ... just a slow, agonizing, ungainly death. That's what happens when you don't have an ending ... and when you underestimate (or undervalue) your audience. FAX |
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05-12-2019, 04:17 PM | #4410 |
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All good points.
My concern is that Seasons 7-8 (and G.R.R.M’s recent excerpts) show that George really has no idea how he wants to land this story. Up through Season 6, the show really tried everything it could to adapt his vision to the screen. Ah well. Hopefully he does write the finish this series deserves someday. |
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