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09-01-2020, 02:38 PM | #44026 | |
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I know when were in Branson recently, there were signs in some businesses that literally said: "By order of the City of Branson, ordinance blah blah blah, you are REQUIRED to wear a mask inside of this business under penalty of fine of $100" but when you read all the way to the bottom (they were QUITE wordy) said "we understand we have no way to enforce this". We saw lots of people not wearing masks and nobody hassled them, not business owners, not other patrons, not even the police. |
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09-01-2020, 02:41 PM | #44027 | |
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09-01-2020, 02:43 PM | #44028 |
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Certainly could be painted that way but that wasn't really my point.
It doesn't seem that a lot of these municipal mandates are enforceable at all. We're going to have to have some kind of legal precedent set, tried in court, or at least some people are just going to ignore the orders. |
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09-01-2020, 02:48 PM | #44029 | |
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A case is a detection of viral particles that may or may not be( 40 to 90% of the time) a viral infection. The NY Times showed that as many as 90% of cases were not active infections. |
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09-01-2020, 02:51 PM | #44030 | |
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Cases are defined however the state wants them to be. Right now that is any positive result from 37 to 40 cycles of the PCR test. If a person tests positive, they have been infected. How are the viral particles detected in a person without that person being infected? |
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09-01-2020, 02:54 PM | #44031 | |
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If it's at that specific level, likely, you're seeing the artifacts of a cleared infection. |
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09-01-2020, 02:58 PM | #44032 |
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Yes, I know. And the person only has the artifacts because they were infected with SARS-CoV-2. Hence, they get counted as a case.
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09-01-2020, 02:58 PM | #44033 |
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If I'm reading it right, the German tests use a 30 ct amplification cycle, where as we're using IIRC 37/40.
I'd imagine that is gonna lead to more positives? |
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09-01-2020, 03:00 PM | #44034 | |
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So we're wading into active vs artifact and that does no good. |
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09-01-2020, 03:03 PM | #44035 |
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09-01-2020, 03:05 PM | #44036 |
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I don't agree. Knowing total cases is important in trying to determine the prevalence and R0. Cases are counted (as best they can) for every pandemic. Even seasonal influenza.
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09-01-2020, 03:47 PM | #44037 | |
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09-01-2020, 03:54 PM | #44038 | |
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You know, the guys that get paid to enforce the law won't touch it. I saw them walk right by without saying a word. |
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09-01-2020, 04:23 PM | #44039 |
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I train with a lot of officers. They want to part of wearing a mask let alone enforcing any mandates
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09-01-2020, 05:05 PM | #44040 |
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