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08-31-2020, 08:44 AM | #43891 |
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So tired of hearing how this is “the new normal”.
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08-31-2020, 08:58 AM | #43892 |
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08-31-2020, 09:04 AM | #43893 | |
Ain't no relax!
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The truth is that ~80% of people in the entire world have at least 1 existing comorbidity. The data regarding covid has always included comorbidities. This isn't something new or something that's been changed. But they still think it's some kind of "Gotcha." As I stated in another thread, have you ever once heard anyone complain about comorbidity issues in cancer deaths? Have you heard a single person ever complain about someone with cancer dying of a comorbidity when the death is attributed to cancer? Because that happens all the time. Comorbidity rates have always existed for every medical condition. The comorbidity angle is only being used because this is a highly politicized topic. If you want the real picture, look at excess deaths regardless of cause. Which is over 200,000 for the year. Those are accurate numbers that can't be fudged. Go ahead and try and explain that away. 200,000 more deaths this year than the running average, and counting. Anyone who can simply shrug that number away is a damn fool. Last edited by Fish; 08-31-2020 at 09:10 AM.. |
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08-31-2020, 09:05 AM | #43894 |
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Might be helpful regarding the 6% "bombshell"
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08-31-2020, 09:15 AM | #43895 | |
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There have certainly been points of pain throughout this ordeal for sure. Some have even been legitimate. In many cases though, as we have seen now multiple times in Kansas, the data is simply presented in ways that I will just say push the border on what is factual and what is not. Kansas for example claimed this last week they were #6 in the nation for % positives. What they didn't tell you is they are the second lowest testing state and those that are being tested have symptoms or have knowingly been exposed to people who have. So they took a pool of people who already leaned to one side of the probability scale, tested them then presented it as if they tested random people. |
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08-31-2020, 09:24 AM | #43896 | |
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I don’t have the answer for all this. No one does. But the fighting and absolutes get us no where |
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08-31-2020, 09:35 AM | #43897 | |
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08-31-2020, 09:44 AM | #43898 | |
Ain't no relax!
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08-31-2020, 11:34 AM | #43899 | |
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Don't say "ZOMG only 6% actually died of covid" (which the president retweeted but the original has since been taken down by twitter). That's active disinformation. This is what bugs me the most. It seems like the anti-covid side wants to switch back and forth between blatant nonsense disinformation (for the low-info crowd), but then be taken seriously in almost the same breath when they want to get real. It shows bad faith to me. They're not trying to arrive at any truth - just win the debate by any tactic that works with whatever audience they have in front of them. And then when called out on something like this that they can't wriggle out of, the anti-covid disinformation peddlers will just switch to "but both sides do it!" without feeling the need to offer any evidence to that claim. Yes there is some dumb stuff out there from both sides. But both sides do not do it to the same degree and at the same top levels of the media they consume. One side has basically every virologist and epidemiologist in the world on their side. IE - none think it's a big overblown hoax, while they can still disagree on aspects of the disease - which is normal and healthy. The other has some youtube videos of quack doctors peddling HCQ and saying ZOMG 6% BOMBSHELL!!! Guys like me, O.City, TLO, donger and fish just want to figure out what's actually going on. As do many others itt. But guys like clay just want to spew propaganda. That's the stuff that I'm glad is for the most part not allowed in this thread. There's a reason clay started that thread in DC. He knows he'd get shot down here. He doesn't care if it's true and on some level I bet he knows it isn't. He just wants to spread propaganda. Last edited by suzzer99; 08-31-2020 at 11:47 AM.. |
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08-31-2020, 11:38 AM | #43900 |
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That would not keep the hype up or the controversy that keeps the divisiveness going so people can play their agendas. It is unfortunate but true.
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08-31-2020, 12:07 PM | #43901 |
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Hospitalizations coming down here in our area. Down to only 10 in ICU.
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08-31-2020, 12:08 PM | #43902 |
"You like to drink?"
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08-31-2020, 12:16 PM | #43903 |
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08-31-2020, 12:17 PM | #43904 |
Hey Loochy, I'm hooome!
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08-31-2020, 12:18 PM | #43905 |
Hey Loochy, I'm hooome!
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