***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by TLO

The bolded part. Much of the doom and gloom can be justified, but some of it is way over the top, IMO.

So you arent a member of Stanley Dales Corona Virus page?

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Donger

Actually, some people were. Nationally, ~40% of deaths have come from nursing homes. The unfortunate reality is that no-elderly people staff nursing homes. Even with efforts to keep those staff from introducing the virus into homes, they have.

I don't know any major names in public health that said to do nothing. This is a strawman argument for your lockdowns.

Prof Woolhouse OBE, a member of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviours that advises the Government, said: “Lockdown was a panic measure and I believe history will say trying to control Covid-19 through lockdown was a monumental mistake on a global scale, the cure was worse than the disease.

“I never want to see national lockdown again. It was always a temporary measure that simply delayed the stage of the epidemic we see now. It was never going to change anything fundamentally, however low we drove down the number of cases, and now we know more about the virus and how to track it we should not be in this position again.

“We absolutely should never return to a position where children cannot play or go to school.

“I believe the harm lockdown is doing to our education, health care access, and broader aspects of our economy and society will turn out to be at least as great as the harm done by Covid-19.”

He said that Sage, the government’s advisory board on dealing with Covid, needed to have members from a wider range of fields.

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...-Boris-Johnson

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I don't know any major names in public health that said to do nothing. This is a strawman argument for your lockdowns.

I was actually referring to posters here. I didn't make that clear.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Alabama has been back to school for a week or two. They screened everyone at the beginning and caught 330 cases. A week later they have 550 from teachers and staff.

Everything I can find states in person classes started August 19th. 6 days ago.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

So you arent a member of Stanley Dales Corona Virus page?

Nope, but I just found it now I have to check it out.

[Donger]

Genetic data show how a single superspreading event sent coronavirus across Massachusetts - and the nation

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/...g-15512903.php

[TLO]

Originally Posted by TLO

Nope, but I just found it now I have to check it out.

....... annnnnd I left the group.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by TLO

....... annnnnd I left the group.

. They live to find the bad. It's like a group of Meccas.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

One in four people aged 18 to 24 seriously contemplated suicide in June, according to new research from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The data are the latest in a series of reports highlighting increases in anxiety, depression and suicidal ideation since the COVID-19 pandemic began.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...id-19-pandemic

I just talked to one of my young adults I counsel yesterday and she said she's had two friends commit suicide in the last 2 weeks, both saying they were suffering from a feeling like they were going to be trapped inside forever.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

That age group is already more anxious and depressed than anything really ever seen (thanks social media). So this number isn’t all that surprising.

It isn't due to social media at all. Social media is a symptom. The real disease goes much deeper but it's not something that can be discussed here.

You're spot on about the numbers though - a majority of the young people I work with feel worthless. They may manifest that in depression but some of them also manifest a sort of hedonism that if they're worthless, so is everybody else, so it doesn't matter if I hurt them to get what I want.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I just talked to one of my young adults I counsel yesterday and she said she's had two friends commit suicide in the last 2 weeks, both saying they were suffering from a feeling like they were going to be trapped inside forever.

Selfish.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

JFC how would people handle something that's actually dangerous to a majority of the population?

We would be in civil war right now.

We are not a country at the moment that believes anything coming out of official mouthpieces or wants to make any shared sacrifices.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

That was never the alternative. There was no one arguing to do nothing.

John Ioannidis stated that based on the numbers coming out of China and Italy we would need to focus on the elderly and those in nursing homes, especially those with multiple pre-existing conditions. A targeted response based on the data.

Instead, we locked down the young and healthy, closed schools, and in states such as NY sent Covid patients directly into the nursing homes.

California floated a policy of 65+ and at risk people stay isolated while everything else stayed open. It lasted 2 days iirc. The 65+ people were not happy about it. And they vote, a lot.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Selfish.

Why is that selfish?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Donger

Why is that selfish?

Because they're young Gen Z'ers and by default weak, pampered, and narcissistic. Come on Donger, get with the program.