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Chiefs sign Alex Okafor [restructured]
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10-16-2019, 06:32 PM | #421 | |
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Clark is non existent everywhere in KC. He does nothing well. N-O-T-H-I-N-G. If you want to pretend otherwise, that's your choice. Frank Clark was supposed to be a difference maker. He is anything but. He is nowhere near the player he was in Seattle. If this is the Frank Clark KC gets, that trade will go down as one of the worst in Chiefs history. Just the facts... |
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10-16-2019, 06:34 PM | #422 | |
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10-16-2019, 06:42 PM | #423 | |
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Again, you're obviously not watching Clark play. Statistically, he's been playing the run better than any other DL we have. By a large margin. That's not opinion; that's a fact. Is he playing as well as he played last year? No. And it's significant. His UCL injury or the possible lower body injury he got during preseason may have something to do with it. But I don't care to speculate at this point. However, he is not playing as well as he played last year with Seattle. And if Clark doesn't get any better after being cleared as 100% healthy, I'd have to reconsider his value to the team. My only point is that Clark, even in whatever physical condition he's in now, is better than Ford was at his best. And all the numbers, except sack count, agree with my argument, not yours. |
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10-16-2019, 07:40 PM | #424 | |
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I find it really hard to believe that he is the reason for the increased run D on his side. I focus on him a lot and he does jack and shit. He gets completely owned by the tackle. He'd also have more than 2 tackles a game if he was so good at stopping the run. All of the best run defenders have a high number of tackles. His stats are reminiscent of a back up that gets very little time in the game. |
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10-16-2019, 08:11 PM | #425 | |
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Actually, I have been critical of the team before on this forum. But my comments aren't about how much Clark (or any player) is getting paid. My comments in this thread are only concerned with Clark's performance on the field vs. Dee Ford's performance on the field. And I did say in my earlier post that Clark isn't performing as well as he did last year by a significant statistical margin. Maybe you missed that part. But it doesn't change the fact that Dee Ford's capabilities on the field were confined to solely rushing the passer. In every other capacity as a DE he was a liability. And whether you want to believe it or not, a large part of a DE's responsibility is defending the run. I know it's not flashy to set an edge, or play an assignment properly, but it's a big part of the game and no DE can play in the NFL very long without those capabilities. It's also a fact that through 6 games Clark has been overall a better DE than Ford. And I'm sorry but if you focused on Clark for an entire game, as you say you have, you'd have to see all of that. And what you believe isn't at issue. The only things at issue in this conversation are the facts. For instance, in the Colts or the Ravens game (blurred now which game) they ran right at Clark 5 times. The aggregate rush yards totaled approximately 13 yards. One rush went for 11 (maybe 13?), a rush for 1, a rush for 3, and one that went for -2.5. I don't remember what the other rush went for. The 13 yard rush was Clark's fault. He got the push he needed and then he got impatient and tried to duck around the OT to his left to make the tackle. He missed and the RB went around to the Clark's right for a big gain. If he'd just stayed neutral, he probably makes that tackle for no more than about a 5 yard gain. Clark didn't actually make that tackle for -2.5 yards, but he set the edge and then helped force the RB to run out of bounds for a loss. I don't remember the exact yardage of the fifth rush (those weren't in order anyway), but the total was about 13 yards. The average was a bit over 2.5yds/carry. IIRC, it was 2.7, which is about half of what the rest of the line was giving up per rush. Now, do I think that Clark is being overpaid for that kind of performance? Of course. But as I said before, this conversation wasn't ever about what he was getting paid. This argument was specifically about whether Clark is a better DE on the field than Ford. Which can be illustrated with facts and data and the eye test. If reviewing the tape makes me a homer, so be it. |
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10-16-2019, 08:20 PM | #426 | |
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10-16-2019, 08:23 PM | #427 | |
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10-17-2019, 01:36 PM | #428 | |
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Dorsey: Mahomes Kelce Hill Chris Jones Ford Peters Hunt Mitchell Schwartz Fisher LDT Maclin Morse Veach most notable: Watkins Butker Frank Clark Honey Badger Hitchens Damien Williams Speaks Cam Erving Kpass Nnadi Ragland Mecole Thornhill Am I really supposed to believe the latter is doing a good job and was worth firing the former for? I’m optimistic about this team just due to how good the offensive core is that Dorsey built and that I think Spags will eventually get it together, but at a certain point you gotta realize Veach isn’t helping. Last edited by YontsRBake; 10-17-2019 at 01:43 PM.. |
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10-17-2019, 02:25 PM | #430 | |
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Great job to him, I can't really hate on the Defense for that. |
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08-10-2020, 11:31 AM | #433 |
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#Chiefs DE Alex Okafor signed a restructured contract recently that clears over $2 million off KC’s cap this year and makes Okafor a free agent next March, per source. He’s now due a max of $4.96M in 2020, including $860K in per-game roster bonuses and $2M in incentives
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