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Old 02-26-2020, 10:28 PM  
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***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

A couple of reminders...

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Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
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People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Old 08-13-2020, 10:26 AM   #42676
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FDA hasn't approved those yet IIRC because they are afraid of false negatives which I understand. The antigen test is shit to and Gov Dewine's tests prove that out.
You'll get false negatives for sure. But that isn't the problem. You can use them more and they're faster.

PCR has a low false negative but the time it takes it's not working.

The antigen test isn't shit.

We are letting perfect be the enemy of good
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Old 08-13-2020, 10:27 AM   #42677
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I really hope we get some sort of postmortem reflection back on all of this to try and help understand why this is still such a problem. Getting too far into the discussion would just lead to political finger pointing I'm sure, but I honestly don't know what has been such an issue. Lack of coordination? Lack of funding? Simple human errors? The virus is just a pure pain in the ass?

It just seems criminal that we're 6 months into this thing and testing is still a complete cluster.
Bottom line is should not care about past positives. Save them for the history books. All anybody should really care about is how many positives, hospitalizations, and deaths that have occurred in the past week. If something occurred earlier, mark it down for inception-to-date totals, but leave it out of the daily reporting.
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Old 08-13-2020, 10:29 AM   #42678
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Bottom line is should not care about past positives. Save them for the history books. All anybody should really care about is how many positives, hospitalizations, and deaths that have occurred in the past week. If something occurred earlier, mark it down for inception-to-date totals, but leave it out of the daily reporting.
I'd say go out to 14 days as opposed to a week but the rest of your post is spot on.
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Old 08-13-2020, 10:35 AM   #42679
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The antigen test isn't shit.
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You'll get false negatives for sure. But that isn't the problem. You can use them more and they're faster.

PCR has a low false negative but the time it takes it's not working.

The antigen test isn't shit.

We are letting perfect be the enemy of good
Maybe shit wasn't the right word but it needs to be much more accurate. I understand the concern the FDA has because a false negative test would give people a false sense of security.

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The reported rate of false negative results is as high as 50%,
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Old 08-13-2020, 10:36 AM   #42680
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It's about speed and multiple tests. If you can do it say, daily, you don't worry about the ones you miss as you'll likely catch them the next day etc.
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Old 08-13-2020, 10:37 AM   #42681
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Maybe shit wasn't the right word but it needs to be much more accurate.
Where did you find that 50% number?
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Old 08-13-2020, 10:46 AM   #42682
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I've posted this before but will post it again.


Quidel says its COVID-19 antigen test is now on par with PCR accuracy

https://www.medtechdive.com/news/qui...curacy/581902/
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Old 08-13-2020, 10:51 AM   #42683
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It's about speed and multiple tests. If you can do it say, daily, you don't worry about the ones you miss as you'll likely catch them the next day etc.
Who are you depending on to test them daily?

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Where did you find that 50% number?
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...oo-often-wrong
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Old 08-13-2020, 10:56 AM   #42684
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Who are you depending on to test them daily?

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...oo-often-wrong
May. 22, 2020
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Old 08-13-2020, 10:57 AM   #42685
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I've posted this before but will post it again.


Quidel says its COVID-19 antigen test is now on par with PCR accuracy

https://www.medtechdive.com/news/qui...curacy/581902/
July 20, 2020
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Old 08-13-2020, 11:04 AM   #42686
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Who are you depending on to test them daily?



https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...oo-often-wrong
You can test yourself at home daily with teh paper tests.

Michael Mina has helped alot with it. Go check out his twitter if you want more info, I can't get my twitter to work.
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Old 08-13-2020, 11:40 AM   #42687
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Hope it gets better

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DeWine took Quidel Corporation's antigen test at a mobile testing site in a Case Western parking lot, the governor's spokesman Dan Tierney said Friday
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You can test yourself at home daily with teh paper tests.

Michael Mina has helped alot with it. Go check out his twitter if you want more info, I can't get my twitter to work.
I love your optimism and I would certainly take it

I totally agree we need this and your employer could maybe make you take this prior to going into work or schools could use it for the kids.
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Old 08-13-2020, 01:16 PM   #42688
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As I understand it an N95 allows for exhalation to a point that is not as effective in that aspect. The respirator does not filter out the virus, correct?
Doesn't it depend on whether the N95 has a vent?

Vented ones make exhalation easier but don't filter the out breath.
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Old 08-13-2020, 01:17 PM   #42689
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Doesn't it depend on whether the N95 has a vent?

Vented ones make exhalation easier but don't filter the out breath.
Correct.
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Old 08-13-2020, 01:25 PM   #42690
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Doesn't it depend on whether the N95 has a vent?

Vented ones make exhalation easier but don't filter the out breath.
Those are the ones I am talking about, yes.
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