***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Strongside]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Comparing local deaths from crime to local deaths from COVID-19
https://www.kctv5.com/news/investiga...0647ecece.html

We are the virus.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Strongside

We are the virus.

Mask violence.

[BigBeauford]

Reporting highest death total since Mid-May at nearly 1500 and 17 consecutive 1000+ deaths.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Yup. It’s improper mask use and those ignoring social distancing while wearing a mask because the mask is “preventative.” A HUGE reason is the second. Ignoring social distancing while wearing a mask.

Well, whatever it is, it's how it's going to be from here on out. I believe we're at the limit of what people are willing to do.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Well, whatever it is, it's how it's going to be from here on out. I believe we're at the limit of what people are willing to do.

Yep.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

Reporting highest death total since Mid-May at nearly 1500 and 17 consecutive 1000+ deaths.

That is completely wrong.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

Reporting highest death total since Mid-May at nearly 1500 and 17 consecutive 1000+ deaths.

You mean the seven day rolling average? If so, we've been above 1,000/day since July 29

[petegz28]

I guess some have officially moved back to deaths from cases. A few weeks ago no one was talking about deaths and everyone was talking about cases. No one mentioned the other day was the lowest day for cases since the beginning of July.

And since we are on the topic no one really points out that while cases literally doubled and then some from the NY era deaths have made to just over half of what they were back then.

So, double the cases, half the deaths.

[TLO]

Deaths are so inconsistently counted on various sites that it feels impossible to know what the true count is.

The same thing can be said for cases.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

Deaths are so inconsistently counted on various sites that it feels impossible to know what the true count is.

The same thing can be said for cases.

I agree which is why I just stick to Worldometers. Is it the most accurate? I don't know but it is widely accepted.

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by Donger

You mean the seven day rolling average? If so, we've been above 1,000/day since July 29

Thats probably the correct information.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by TLO

Deaths are so inconsistently counted on various sites that it feels impossible to know what the true count is.

The same thing can be said for cases.

Very much true. The reporting is horrific. Absence of putting cases, hospitalizations, deaths in the proper time period leads to mass confusion, which we have been dealing with for a long time. Differing standards of what actually is a COVID death or positive case also leads to the sloppy manner in which this virus has been tracked. You can only hope that public health officials are given far more accurate data by which to make decisions then this stuff.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Either the masks aren't working...or something is going on that we're not being told.

I've seen almost 100% of people wearing masks at places like the grocery store and other retail places, but then drive by bars that are packed with people (not wearing masks, because they are drinking). Then check FB and see pics of groups of people standing side by side not wearing masks.

Even when 100% of people are wearing them, at least 10% aren't covering their nose, or are wearing types that are ineffective (gaiters, ones with vents, etc)

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I guess some have officially moved back to deaths from cases. A few weeks ago no one was talking about deaths and everyone was talking about cases. No one mentioned the other day was the lowest day for cases since the beginning of July.

And since we are on the topic no one really points out that while cases literally doubled and then some from the NY era deaths have made to just over half of what they were back then.

So, double the cases, half the deaths.

There have been several states (CA was a big one) have data issues in the last 2-3 weeks that have affected reporting and Florida stopped testing for several days due to the hurricane. Hopefully it is all mostly corrected and probably is some back logged data in there.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

There have been several states (CA was a big one) have data issues in the last 2-3 weeks that have affected reporting and Florida stopped testing for several days due to the hurricane. Hopefully it is all mostly corrected and probably is some back logged data in there.

The one consistent throughout all of this is the excuses for various states and their reporting one way or the other. Just sayin.....

Not saying you are making excuses for the states but rather repeating them