Cardinals Release WR DeAndre Hopkins [Titans, 2yr/$26 million]

[Dante84]

Interesting

Cardinals released DeAndre Hopkins. pic.twitter.com/c0f9UaabYA

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) May 26, 2023

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

They used the cap that they had. A starting tackle to protect Mahomes is more important than a WR.

You can create cap by turning base salary into bonus. Mahomes’ contract is designed specifically to give us flexibility to do this. We have barely even begun to tap into “credit card mode.” We don’t want to get drunk on doing this but this was plenty doable

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Hopkins signed with the Titans on July 24th. Veach was trying to get a deal done with Chris Jones at that point. We know that Veach spoke to OBJ and Hopkins this off-season about a contract.

If Chris Jones agreed to the extension Veach offered his cap hit this year would have definitely been lower freeing money...that we could have used on Hopkins

This. I have been thinking about that lately. It seems the Chris Jones holdout really screwed up our chances at bringing in a vet WR.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by -King-

Mahomes contract is irrelevant. He'll keep restructuring and will sign a brand new contract by 2027. Why do people care about his cap numbers at the end of his career or after he retires?

And his cap hits are 4mil for this year and 16mil next year. I don't know why we're acting like that's a lot for what he can bring you.

Dude is on track for 1000+ yards with a broken Tannehill, Malik Willis, and Will Levis throwing to him. Meanwhile the guy who has a cap hit of $11mil still doesn't have 300 yards with the best QB to ever play the game.

Mahomes isn't going to keep restructuring. Go look at his cap hits moving forward over the next 2-3 years. Restructuring is going to pump those up over $60 million.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Mahomes isn't going to keep restructuring. Go look at his cap hits moving forward over the next 2-3 years. Restructuring is going to pump those up over $60 million.

So? He's going to sign a brand new deal in the next 2 years anyway. Why do we care about his 2028 cap numbers on this current contract?

It's basically what they already did this off season except except we would reduce the cap hit for the current year which would allow us to sign players.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by -King-

Mahomes contract is irrelevant. He'll keep restructuring and will sign a brand new contract by 2027. Why do people care about his cap numbers at the end of his career or after he retires?

And his cap hits are 4mil for this year and 16mil next year. I don't know why we're acting like that's a lot for what he can bring you.

Dude is on track for 1000+ yards with a broken Tannehill, Malik Willis, and Will Levis throwing to him. Meanwhile the guy who has a cap hit of $11mil still doesn't have 300 yards with the best QB to ever play the game.

Wrong again, you definitely are not King of anything, It was for this year and then $22 next because of the void years. We should not do that to the cap unless you are proposing a year of where we have just have a team of scrubs and put Mahomes on the bench or IR for the year so he is not broken into pieces or some other radical and stupid idea.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You can create cap by turning base salary into bonus. Mahomes’ contract is designed specifically to give us flexibility to do this. We have barely even begun to tap into “credit card mode.” We don’t want to get drunk on doing this but this was plenty doable

God damn the denseness of some of you people. You still have to pay that money out at some point. Will you not be happy until his cap number is $100 million for one season? Let me guess then you will want to cut him because of how ridiculous that would be.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Wrong again, you definitely are not King of anything, It was for this year and then $22 next because of the void years. We should not do that to the cap unless you are proposing a year of where we have just have a team of scrubs and put Mahomes on the bench or IR for the year so he is not broken into pieces or some other radical and stupid idea.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tennesse...hopkins-12307/

I have no idea what you're talking about. His cap hits are literally 4 mil and 16mil. Even if he's cut at the end of this year, the Titans will carry a ~8mil dead cap hit next year.

That seems like a risk worth taking.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Mahomes isn't going to keep restructuring. Go look at his cap hits moving forward over the next 2-3 years. Restructuring is going to pump those up over $60 million.

Mahomes if just over $57 million in 24, $60 million in 25, $63 million in 26.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

Wylie is not better than Taylor. That's not necessarily the point.

The point is that Taylor was overpaid. Big time. He's being paid like a top-5 tackle. He's not that good though. He's also VERY un-clutch. Backbreaking penalties. On that 4th and 15, Kelce is open and he gives up pressure with Mahomes getting hit on the arm.

His contract makes it harder to accomplish other signings. If he was playing better it would be easier to justify it.

Imagine the Patriots overpaying for this dude during their dynasty.

Ok sparky... We have the least sacked QB in the league and Taylor is receiving little chip help. He's tied for 41st in sacks allowed, and the 1/2 of those penalties are BS and the refs will subside targeting him at some point. His signing has nothing to do with accomplishing other signings. We were going to pay OBJ or Taylor. Taylor is better than OBJ. Please explain who you would have signed or brought on as a RT/LT alternative?

[-King-]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Ok sparky... We have the least sacked QB in the league and Taylor is receiving little chip help. He's tied for 41st in sacks allowed, and the 1/2 of those penalties are BS and the refs will subside targeting him at some point. His signing has nothing to do with accomplishing other signings. We were going to pay OBJ or Taylor. Taylor is better than OBJ. Please explain who you would have signed or brought on as a RT/LT alternative?

Mahomes has never been a highly sacked quarterback. I don't know why people are bringing that up.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by -King-

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tennesse...hopkins-12307/

I have no idea what you're talking about. His cap hits are literally 4 mil and 16mil. Even if he's cut at the end of this year, the Titans will carry a ~8mil dead cap hit next year.

That seems like a risk worth taking.

My bad you are right the remaining would be dead cap on the 3rd year where he is not playing. What a waste of cap space. Again we are already facing cap troubles, but sure let's create more for a player that is not even going to contribute and have to fill his spot on the roster.

[Marcellus]

$16MM cap his this season, the way the timing worked out thanks to CJ being a reerun I see no possible way this was going to work.

Hopkins didn't get released until almost June FFS and CJ was tying up a shit ton of cap $ on the tag. That didn't change.

I guess Veach should have known back in March that Hopkins was going to get released 2 months later.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

It is not unattainable, but there is a price. There is going to come a time, I think we are already there, where restructuring these contracts hurts. Mahomes number is $57 million next year and going up for the next 3 years. Thuney is $27 million for the next 2 years. But yeah let's just defer some more money from others' contracts to where we have a year or two of nothing but rookies and the bottom of the league on the field.

Sure but what hamstrings you are these deals with huge dead weight attached to it. These weren’t it. It’s exactly why a guy like DHop or thielen made too much sense. It’s a small dent and I think most would be plenty fine with a tiny setback a few years from now if it meant maximizing our window while we still have kelce. We have plenty of money, it’s purely based on if we’re ok with some small setbacks a few years from now.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by -King-

So? He's going to sign a brand new deal in the next 2 years anyway. Why do we care about his 2028 cap numbers on this current contract?

It's basically what they already did this off season except except we would reduce the cap hit for the current year which would allow us to sign players.

You still have to factor those 2028 cap numbers. They don't just disappear off the salary cap.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

My bad you are right the remaining would be dead cap on the 3rd year where he is not playing. What a waste of cap space. Again we are already facing cap troubles, but sure let's create more for a player that is not even going to contribute and have to fill his spot on the roster.

Yeah, it's a waste of cap space to sign a player who's actually worth the money he's playing for.


Actually outplaying the money he's playing for. Good thing we don't need a good WR and we don't have WRs losing games and playoff seedings for us.

And pssst, you don't have to structure the contract the same way the Titans did. You can do it in a way that works specifically for your team so you're not left with a dead cap if you decide to cut him.