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FloridaMan88 · 02-02-2009, 09:59 AM

As if they hadn't started already...

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...&position=also

Matt Cassel draws interest

TAMPA - They might not have been one of the two Super Bowl participants last night, but the Patriots [team stats] still generated a lot of talk on Radio Row during the week.

With Matt Cassel making the rounds, there was plenty of speculation on how much interest he would draw should the Pats apply the franchise tag and then trade him.

The pundits’ top pick to land Cassel in that scenario is Kansas City. Obviously, the Scott Pioli factor weighs heavily in that choice, with the Pats former vice president of player personnel now calling the shots for the Chiefs.

“I’d really look at Pioli down there in Kansas City. Why wouldn’t he want him?” Sirius NFL radio analyst Jim Miller said. “He knows what the kid is capable of doing. So I think he’d be on their radar.”

Miller, like most analysts, doesn’t see the crop of quarterbacks in this year’s NFL Draft as particularly appealing. That boosts the draw for Cassel, especially if Pioli decides he’s not satisfied with the collection of QBs he inherited after taking over the job.

“I don’t think this is a strong quarterback draft. Everybody is saying Matthew Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of USC are going to go in the Top 10. I don’t believe that,” Miller said. “I don’t think those guys are ready. And I don’t think you’ll see the type of success guys like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco had. They just haven’t played enough. So I can’t see teams wanting them.

“But if Kansas (City) were to make that deal, that’s their Matt Ryan. That’s their Joe Flacco. Unlike a Sanchez, for instance, they know he’s playing at a starter’s level. So to them, I think it’d be worth it to do. They’d get their starting quarterback, they know what he’s capable of doing, and they’ve seen him win games at the NFL level.”

Other experts, meanwhile, aren’t sure Pioli would want to deal with his former boss right out of the gate.

Some other teams figuring to make a pitch for Cassel include the New York Jets, Detroit, Minnesota, San Francisco, Carolina, Tampa Bay and Chicago.

As for what Cassel would land in a trade, there were differing opinions. Miller, for one, thought he would cost a second-round draft choice.

The decision to trade or keep Cassel will ultimately depend on Tom Brady [stats]’s health. While reports have him on target to play in the season opener, he still has a few hurdles to clear before that point following reconstructive surgery on his left knee and a subsequent staph infection.

“I think a lot is going to depend on where Kevin O’Connell is in his development. If they feel they can move Matt to benefit their team, they’ll do it,” said Miller, a one-time Pats backup quarterback. “It’s rolling the dice on Tom and whether he’s healthy, and two, can they do it with Kevin O’Connell? The question they have to ask is if O’Connell is as capable of what they have in Matt Cassel?”

whoman69 · 02-03-2009, 08:53 PM

IMO Cassel got a lot of boost out of all the talent on that offense. He doesn't have the deep ball. He has only one year of experience as a starter since high school. He's as risky as a rookie. There's always this big push to crown the backup who did a decent job as an NFL calibre starter. Scott Mitchell, Frank Reich memories should be enough to scare anyone. Longtime backups who get promoted seldom pan out.

**SAUTO** · 02-03-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

IMO Cassel got a lot of boost out of all the talent on that offense. He doesn't have the deep ball. He has only one year of experience as a starter since high school. He's as risky as a rookie. There's always this big push to crown the backup who did a decent job as an NFL calibre starter. Scott Mitchell, Frank Reich memories should be enough to scare anyone. Longtime backups who get promoted seldom pan out.

rich gannon, david garrard

**DaKCMan AP** · 02-03-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

IMO Cassel got a lot of boost out of all the talent on that offense. He doesn't have the deep ball. He has only one year of experience as a starter since high school. He's as risky as a rookie. There's always this big push to crown the backup who did a decent job as an NFL calibre starter. Scott Mitchell, Frank Reich memories should be enough to scare anyone. Longtime backups who get promoted seldom pan out.

Don't confuse Hypocrite Frankie with facts.

**DeezNutz** · 02-03-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

Exactly. So why is it that the points that us mortals make never sink in with you and the rest of the self proclaimed "Football Gods?"

It sinks in.

Defense and offensive line play. Rinse, repeat.

Unfortunately, for several years now, the football is now moved via the air. In games. And not just by kickers.

All of these opinions are fine, but be able to support them. This, "I've seen it happen lots" bullshit doesn't qualify as support. Be specific.

For example, you (or others, I don't really give a shit who) think we should trade back. Fine. What should we expect in return, given the current era of unbelievably high rookie salaries? What past examples are you drawing upon to support your assertions?

The fact that something enters a poster's head doesn't necessarily make it a point. It's more like a message board fart and screaming, "Did you smell it?!?" doesn't make it any more pleasant.

Mecca · 02-03-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

rich gannon, david garrard

David Garrard sure was great this year after getting paid wasn't he.....oh shit wait.

**DaKCMan AP** · 02-03-2009, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

rich gannon, david garrard

Do you not understand what the word "seldom" means? Rob Johnson, Elvis Grbac, Steve Bono, Damon Huard, Derek Anderson, Billy Volek, AJ Feely. Not 'never' but 'seldom'.

**DeezNutz** · 02-03-2009, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Do you not understand what the word "seldom" means? Rob Johnson, Elvis Grbac, Steve Bono, Damon Huard, Derek Anderson, Billy Volek, AJ Feely. Not 'never' but 'seldom'.

Grbac is such a disgusting sack of shit. He had plenty of talent.

Prime example of what happens when a player lacks heart, passion, and drive.

whoman69 · 02-03-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

rich gannon, david garrard

Steve Bono, Elvis Grbac.

whoman69 · 02-03-2009, 09:06 PM

oops, didn't read down yet. sorry DaKCMan AP

splatbass · 02-03-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Name calling happens because we get tired of having the same argument every damn day.

There's not much else you can say to someone who doesn't want a QB regardless of who it is, people desiring to rebuild the 90s team are stupid period.

You are using hyperbole here, Mecca, and it is dishonest. Who doesn't want a QB under any circumstances? Who wants to go back to the 90s? NO ONE, with the possible exception of KCJohnny.

Not wanting to draft the current available QBs with the 3# pick doesn't mean we don't want to draft a QB, just that we don't think either of them are worth the #3.

Stop the hyperbole, and try to have an honest discussion for once in your life.

splatbass · 02-03-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You'd think after a point is made a thousand times it would sink in, but around here it doesn't.

A point could be completely picked apart and it would still be spouted the next day.

You are assuming you are right, instead of just another guy with an opinion. The fact is that you are just another guy with an opinion.

**DaKCMan AP** · 02-03-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

You are assuming you are right, instead of just another guy with an opinion. The fact is that you are just another guy with an opinion.

Maybe he's just another guy with an opinion and maybe you're just another guy with an opinion. However, the fact is that I'm right.

Simply Red · 02-03-2009, 09:27 PM

Really, Cassel is not good, weak arm, no experience, he's proven nothing. Hell, Brady (who starts in front of this guy.) isn't that great either. / Mecca

splatbass · 02-03-2009, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Maybe he's just another guy with an opinion and maybe you're just another guy with an opinion. However, the fact is that I'm right.

Yes, you are right that Mecca and I are both guys with an opinion. Other than that, not so much.

**DaKCMan AP** · 02-03-2009, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Yes, you are right that Mecca and I are both guys with an opinion. Other than that, not so much.

No, my entire statement was accurate. If you choose to ignore or deny that fact it just leads you even further from the truth than you already are.

02-02-2009, 09:59 AM
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses FloridaMan88's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL	And so the "Matt Cassel to KC" Rumors Begin... As if they hadn't started already... http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...&position=also Matt Cassel draws interest TAMPA - They might not have been one of the two Super Bowl participants last night, but the Patriots [team stats] still generated a lot of talk on Radio Row during the week. With Matt Cassel making the rounds, there was plenty of speculation on how much interest he would draw should the Pats apply the franchise tag and then trade him. The pundits’ top pick to land Cassel in that scenario is Kansas City. Obviously, the Scott Pioli factor weighs heavily in that choice, with the Pats former vice president of player personnel now calling the shots for the Chiefs. “I’d really look at Pioli down there in Kansas City. Why wouldn’t he want him?” Sirius NFL radio analyst Jim Miller said. “He knows what the kid is capable of doing. So I think he’d be on their radar.” Miller, like most analysts, doesn’t see the crop of quarterbacks in this year’s NFL Draft as particularly appealing. That boosts the draw for Cassel, especially if Pioli decides he’s not satisfied with the collection of QBs he inherited after taking over the job. “I don’t think this is a strong quarterback draft. Everybody is saying Matthew Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of USC are going to go in the Top 10. I don’t believe that,” Miller said. “I don’t think those guys are ready. And I don’t think you’ll see the type of success guys like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco had. They just haven’t played enough. So I can’t see teams wanting them. “But if Kansas (City) were to make that deal, that’s their Matt Ryan. That’s their Joe Flacco. Unlike a Sanchez, for instance, they know he’s playing at a starter’s level. So to them, I think it’d be worth it to do. They’d get their starting quarterback, they know what he’s capable of doing, and they’ve seen him win games at the NFL level.” Other experts, meanwhile, aren’t sure Pioli would want to deal with his former boss right out of the gate. Some other teams figuring to make a pitch for Cassel include the New York Jets, Detroit, Minnesota, San Francisco, Carolina, Tampa Bay and Chicago. As for what Cassel would land in a trade, there were differing opinions. Miller, for one, thought he would cost a second-round draft choice. The decision to trade or keep Cassel will ultimately depend on Tom Brady [stats]’s health. While reports have him on target to play in the season opener, he still has a few hurdles to clear before that point following reconstructive surgery on his left knee and a subsequent staph infection. “I think a lot is going to depend on where Kevin O’Connell is in his development. If they feel they can move Matt to benefit their team, they’ll do it,” said Miller, a one-time Pats backup quarterback. “It’s rolling the dice on Tom and whether he’s healthy, and two, can they do it with Kevin O’Connell? The question they have to ask is if O’Connell is as capable of what they have in Matt Cassel?”
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whoman69 The Master whoman69's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Marion, IA	IMO Cassel got a lot of boost out of all the talent on that offense. He doesn't have the deep ball. He has only one year of experience as a starter since high school. He's as risky as a rookie. There's always this big push to crown the backup who did a decent job as an NFL calibre starter. Scott Mitchell, Frank Reich memories should be enough to scare anyone. Longtime backups who get promoted seldom pan out.
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whoman69 The Master whoman69's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Marion, IA	oops, didn't read down yet. sorry DaKCMan AP
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Simply Red You Sweetie! Simply Red's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2005	Really, Cassel is not good, weak arm, no experience, he's proven nothing. Hell, Brady (who starts in front of this guy.) isn't that great either. / Mecca
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