***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Sure you can but one of those sounds more racist than the other.

Does a virus care about race?

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Nebraska beaches?

Lake Michigan

[Donger]

The beach/trail closures don't really make sense at this stage.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by O.city

Based on all the research I've seen, unless you're wearing a properly fitted respirator, masks aren't necessarily an end all be all. They help, a good amount, so I recommend wearing one. Even if it's marginal, any little bit helps.

I actually agree, that the outside stuff is just dumb. If you're at the beach, outside, your risk is just miniscule.

It's the messaging I'm talking about. I don't even have a problem saying the protests were warranted for racial disparity. But you can't be for one and not the other then get upset when people check out.

They make a huge difference in spread. As has been pointed out many times, the masks help you to some degree - possibly by limiting the initial dose - which many studies have suggested could impact the eventual infection. But masks definitely slow the spread to others from you.

There's a reason why Japan only has 1000 deaths - as one of the most densely-populated countries on earth. Similar for Taiwan, S. Korea (after their initial blowup), Vietnam.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Lake Michigan

Ah. What's the rationale - too much partying goes on?

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Ah. What's the rationale - too much partying goes on?

Beaches can't vote or make campaign contributions potential to congregate

[Great8]

Originally Posted by Donger

Slower than normal today, eh?

So we can all mask up and essentially go back to normal?

What can't you do today that was normal before, albeit masked up?

I can't go to a movie, to a bar, to see a ball game.
My daughter can't go to school for her Senior year.
Yeah, totally normal

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Beaches can't vote or make campaign contributions potential to congregate

Congregating outdoors in a place that usually gets a nice breeze is where you should be. Do the beaches get beyond packed in the summer?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Great8

I can't go to a movie, to a bar, to see a ball game.
My daughter can't go to school for her Senior year.
Yeah, totally normal

You are prohibited from those activities even with a mask? Or, they've just been prohibited altogether?

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Congregating outdoors in a place that usually gets a nice breeze is where you should be. Do the beaches get beyond packed in the summer?

They're city beaches so yeah they can be more narrow than traditional coastal beaches but we've reopened indoor dining in an earlier phase.

[Great8]

Originally Posted by Donger

You are prohibited from those activities even with a mask? Or, they've just been prohibited altogether?

Bars still not allowed to have indoor seating.
Obviously, no fans at MLB, and our minor league team had it's season canceled.
Movie theatres still closed in Virginia.
No in person learning in the state until at least mid October.
Our Governor is a complete dipshit.

Take out Richmond and a 40 mile radius around DC, and this state would be great.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

They make a huge difference in spread. As has been pointed out many times, the masks help you to some degree - possibly by limiting the initial dose - which many studies have suggested could impact the eventual infection. But masks definitely slow the spread to others from you.

There's a reason why Japan only has 1000 deaths - as one of the most densely-populated countries on earth. Similar for Taiwan, S. Korea (after their initial blowup), Vietnam.

Hows that going for Japan now though?

I can show you guys some research done in the dental field on the efficacy of masking, the biggest isn't isn't the mask TBH. People don't know how to wear them.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Donger

The beach/trail closures don't really make sense at this stage.

It never did.

They panicked. Everyone acted like this virus would act completely alien compared to any virus we've ever encountered.

It doesn't.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by O.city

Hows that going for Japan now though?

I can show you guys some research done in the dental field on the efficacy of masking, the biggest isn't isn't the mask TBH. People don't know how to wear them.

Considering they have 125 million people - mostly packed into ultra-dense cities, Japan is still doing massively better than us or most other places who aren't taking it seriously.

[TLO]

Missouri's numbers have improved some since the backlog was cleared, but they still don't look good.

We've been at a steady incline for quite some time now but hospitalizations have held fairly steady. Deaths haven't increased a lot either.

The Gov is supposed to speak at 3pm today. We'll see what info, if any, he has to share.