***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Monticore

so you think telling black people that they shouldn't protest against black injustice would have resulted in them just going back home and saying that seems fair.

I think you cant use the argument one way and ignore it the other. That's called hypocrisy.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

Isn't that happening, essentially?

No.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I think you cant use the argument one way and ignore it the other. That's called hypocrisy.

Oh, there's plenty of hypocrisy to got around.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Donger

Isn't that happening, essentially?

I dunno

I basically go to work and go home. I couldn’t really tell you what’s happening out and about

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by O.city

Oh, ok.

So we can all mask up and essentially go back to normal?

Outdoors? Maybe not normal but it seems to be pretty safe masked up. If the protests were causing huge problems shouldn't Portland hospitals be completely overwhelmed right now?

I've always been in the camp that outdoors is pretty safe and cities are dumb to limit outdoor activities - even w/o masks if you can get a little distance and aren't screaming in someone's face. The Ozarks party didn't bother me that much in itself. But all the drinking and casual sex that comes later is probably an issue.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

No.

How so?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

At least one group of protestors wore masks. That actually makes a huge difference.

Not all of them. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous.

You’re also talking about A LOT more people and protests.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Outdoors? Maybe not normal but it seems to be pretty safe masked up.

If the protests were causing huge problems shouldn't Portland be completely overwhelmed right now?

My kids had Hockey last night, Soccer tonight, work is pretty much the same I am normally too busy to hang out with friends or socialise anyways so other than masks it is pretty much back to normal.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

How so?

You think 30MM unemployed equals things are pretty much normal eh?

JFC

[KCUnited]

Our beaches are still closed. Seems outdoor policies are a mixed bag of opinions.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I think you cant use the argument one way and ignore it the other. That's called hypocrisy.

Sure you can but one of those sounds more racist than the other.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You think 30MM unemployed equals things are pretty much normal eh?

JFC

Slower than normal today, eh?

So we can all mask up and essentially go back to normal?

What can't you do today that was normal before, albeit masked up?

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Not all of them. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous.

You’re also talking about A LOT more people and protests.

Over 99% in the pictures I've seen.

Now what would you say the % is among the anti-mask protestors?

99% compliance is still a lot better than zero.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Outdoors? Maybe not normal but it seems to be pretty safe masked up. If the protests were causing huge problems shouldn't Portland hospitals be completely overwhelmed right now?

I've always been in the camp that outdoors is pretty safe and cities are dumb to limit outdoor activities - even w/o masks if you can get a little distance and aren't screaming in someone's face. The Ozarks party didn't bother me that much in itself. But all the drinking and casual sex that comes later is probably an issue.

Based on all the research I've seen, unless you're wearing a properly fitted respirator, masks aren't necessarily an end all be all. They help, a good amount, so I recommend wearing one. Even if it's marginal, any little bit helps.

I actually agree, that the outside stuff is just dumb. If you're at the beach, outside, your risk is just miniscule.

It's the messaging I'm talking about. I don't even have a problem saying the protests were warranted for racial disparity. But you can't be for one and not the other then get upset when people check out.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Our beaches are still closed. Seems outdoor policies are a mixed bag of opinions.

Nebraska beaches?