***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

The problem with comparing the US as a whole to most other single countries is that it’s inherently flawed based on size both geographically and population. Then there is of course the idea that there is no way to say any one country is going to be better off long term than the others. It’s way too uncertain for any country to be spiking the football.

I agree with that and in regard to Vietnam they are a communist country, so it is easier to do some of the measures they have taken.

But we can learn from them, such as being super aggressive when an outbreak occurs. But all we do is throw up our hands and maybe do half assed measures if we are lucky.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by eDave

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Yikes...

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Donger

What on Earth is going on in Missouri?

Too many freedummies.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Donger

What on Earth is going on in Missouri?

No comment

TLO did say that they caught up in their backlog so that is probably what you are seeing.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

Do you understand the idea that something can provide a significant improvement and can significantly slow spread and thus would provide a large public benefit, even if it is not as protective as a hazmat suit?

Too many who don’t understand basic PPE just talk in absolutes in this thread.

Which is ridiculous and for some reason a hard concept for many. Not sure why.

[sedated]

I'm not sure of the goggles thing, seems kind of like overkill (assuming everyone is wearing a mask, which is rare).

I've noticed a phenomenon where people will wear a mask, but as soon as they start talking they take their mask down. WTF? I saw it 3 different times yesterday alone.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by sedated

I'm not sure of the goggles thing, seems kind of like overkill (assuming everyone is wearing a mask, which is rare).

I've noticed a phenomenon where people will wear a mask, but as soon as they start talking they take their mask down. WTF? I saw it 3 different times yesterday alone.

I went into a fast-food restaurant last week to pick up some food, and there were seven people in the place counting me. I was pleased to see that every single person was wearing a mask, and it was only the security guard who wasn't wearing it properly. I gave him a break, though, because there was no one near him and he pulled it under nose until someone approached.

But the funny thing is that two customers went up to the counter and then pulled their masks down to order. Then when the order was placed, they pulled their masks back up and waited. It's pretty much the worst thing to do in that situation.

[O.city]

https://twitter.com/jpogue1/status/1...261328902?s=21

Here’s a good tweet breakdown for anyone interested

[Donger]

Originally Posted by O.city

https://twitter.com/jpogue1/status/1...261328902?s=21

Here’s a good tweet breakdown for anyone interested

Yes, but did they test it with DEMON SPERM?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

No comment

TLO did say that they caught up in their backlog so that is probably what you are seeing.

So the numbers should be dramatically lower starting tomorrow, right?

The backlog BS is just that IMO...

[MahomesMagic]

That hunger is already stalking Haboue Solange Boue, an infant who has lost half her former body weight of 5.5 pounds (2.5 kilograms) in the last month. With the markets closed because of coronavirus restrictions, her family sold fewer vegetables. Her mother is too malnourished to nurse her.

“My child,” Danssanin Lanizou whispers, choking back tears as she unwraps a blanket to reveal her baby’s protruding ribs. The infant whimpers soundlessly.

Further, more than 550,000 additional children each month are being struck by what is called wasting, according to the U.N. — malnutrition that manifests in spindly limbs and distended bellies. Over a year, that’s up 6.7 million from last year’s total of 47 million. Wasting and stunting can permanently damage children physically and mentally, transforming individual tragedies into a generational catastrophe.

https://apnews.com/5cbee9693c52728a3808f4e7b4965cbd

They asked Fauci if he considered 2nd order effects from the policies and he said no.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by TLO

An update from DHSS for those watching Missouri numbers.

�� This month, we have been experiencing an increase in both testing and positive cases. The increase, along with testing delays at national laboratories, has caused a backlog of data processing and entry at the state level. Today’s record increase, and the record high numbers for the last ten days, is because our data entry staff has worked diligently to clear the backlog and today’s update will be the last with additional cases. Tomorrow’s update will be current with only new cases reported in the last 24 hours.

�� What does this mean?
- This situation DOES cause a delay in reporting data related to new cases on a statewide level.
- This situation DOES mean we will continue to see to see daily reports of new cases similar to today’s until there is no backlog.
- This situation DOES NOT delay the reporting of positive results from labs to patients.
- This situation DOES NOT delay the reporting of positive results from DHSS to local public health agencies for contact tracing.

This contradicted itself.

The backlog is cleared, tomorrow will only be from the past 24 hours, we will continue to see numbers similar to today's until the backlog is cleared.


And like I said yesterday the kshb covid tracker compiles the data from the health dept's themselves.

Their numbers aren't THAT far off from the state numbers (which I don't pay any attention to anymore).

IMO they are lying.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

That hunger is already stalking Haboue Solange Boue, an infant who has lost half her former body weight of 5.5 pounds (2.5 kilograms) in the last month. With the markets closed because of coronavirus restrictions, her family sold fewer vegetables. Her mother is too malnourished to nurse her.

“My child,” Danssanin Lanizou whispers, choking back tears as she unwraps a blanket to reveal her baby’s protruding ribs. The infant whimpers soundlessly.

Further, more than 550,000 additional children each month are being struck by what is called wasting, according to the U.N. — malnutrition that manifests in spindly limbs and distended bellies. Over a year, that’s up 6.7 million from last year’s total of 47 million. Wasting and stunting can permanently damage children physically and mentally, transforming individual tragedies into a generational catastrophe.

https://apnews.com/5cbee9693c52728a3808f4e7b4965cbd

They asked Fauci if he considered 2nd order effects from the policies and he said no.

That isn't even in the US...

WTF?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

That hunger is already stalking Haboue Solange Boue, an infant who has lost half her former body weight of 5.5 pounds (2.5 kilograms) in the last month. With the markets closed because of coronavirus restrictions, her family sold fewer vegetables. Her mother is too malnourished to nurse her.

“My child,” Danssanin Lanizou whispers, choking back tears as she unwraps a blanket to reveal her baby’s protruding ribs. The infant whimpers soundlessly.

Further, more than 550,000 additional children each month are being struck by what is called wasting, according to the U.N. — malnutrition that manifests in spindly limbs and distended bellies. Over a year, that’s up 6.7 million from last year’s total of 47 million. Wasting and stunting can permanently damage children physically and mentally, transforming individual tragedies into a generational catastrophe.

https://apnews.com/5cbee9693c52728a3808f4e7b4965cbd

They asked Fauci if he considered 2nd order effects from the policies and he said no.

You don't have any shame, do you.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

That hunger is already stalking Haboue Solange Boue, an infant who has lost half her former body weight of 5.5 pounds (2.5 kilograms) in the last month. With the markets closed because of coronavirus restrictions, her family sold fewer vegetables. Her mother is too malnourished to nurse her.

“My child,” Danssanin Lanizou whispers, choking back tears as she unwraps a blanket to reveal her baby’s protruding ribs. The infant whimpers soundlessly.

Further, more than 550,000 additional children each month are being struck by what is called wasting, according to the U.N. — malnutrition that manifests in spindly limbs and distended bellies. Over a year, that’s up 6.7 million from last year’s total of 47 million. Wasting and stunting can permanently damage children physically and mentally, transforming individual tragedies into a generational catastrophe.

https://apnews.com/5cbee9693c52728a3808f4e7b4965cbd

They asked Fauci if he considered 2nd order effects from the policies and he said no.

Hey Dumb****, what's Fauci have to do with the article you posted?