***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[TLO]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

I'm I'm reading this right - the 100 people in this study were admitted to the hospital, or at least got tested at the hospital.



So it's not like a random sample of 100 people who tested positive.

From the article

“The results of our study provide important insights into the prevalence of cardiovascular involvement in the early convalescent stage,” wrote lead author Valentina O. Puntmann, MD, PhD, University Hospital Frankfurt in Germany, and colleagues. “Our findings demonstrate that participants with a relative paucity of preexisting cardiovascular condition and with mostly home-based recovery had frequent cardiac inflammatory involvement, which was similar to the hospitalized subgroup with regards to severity and extent.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by TLO

So there's a new study out that showed like 80 out of 100 people showed some sort of heart damage after recovering from Covid. Most of these people recovered at home, a smaller percentage required oxygen, and 2 were on ventilators.

https://www.cardiovascularbusiness.c...amage-recovery

This is some scary business right here.

[ghak99]

People are interesting.

A bunch of soccer moms went all "Sr. 2020 lives matter" and pushed for a graduation and prom to happen. So, they finally happen outdoors and with restrictions. Now, those same people are running around with their heads cut off after finding out 4 people involved tested positive after the festivities. Well, what in the hell did you expect to happen?

I'm betting it's already having an affect in the board meetings regarding the plans for how to start school this fall.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

This is some scary business right here.

I feel like we need some perspective - how common is this with other viruses, etc? What kind of damage are they describing in these patients?

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by TLO

From the article

That doesn't mean it's 100 random people. It sounds like 100 people who spent some time in the hospital then recovered at home.

which was similar to the hospitalized subgroup with regards to severity and extent.

Meaning recovering at home (convalescent) was similar to staying the hospital. It doesn't mean it was similar to 100 random people who tested positive - which could include people with no or very mild symptoms.

So it sounds like your population here is "people with severe enough symptoms to show up at the hospital". Which is still scary. I've always assumed if you get sick enough to go to the hospital with this you're going to have long term problems.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by O.city

Not good, will also caution that post influenza tends to cause a fair amount of cardiovascular issues as well. So it's not necessarily just about Covid doing it.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1111/irv.12470

?Asking ?for a ?friend but has this ?been peer reviewed?

I scanned the article and it seems to acknowledge the possibility of undiagnosed pre existing conditions. The median age is 49 which is young but certainly in the age range where many can begin having CAD including inflammation. Interesting read and worth studying but folks dont need to run for the hills or dig a hole in the backyard yet.

[DaFace]

This isn't really notable news, but I love the headline.

Moderna protects 16 monkeys from virus; 30,000 humans await https://t.co/p0vKGJjJyM pic.twitter.com/Bb7tMsQYtO

— BNN Bloomberg (@BNNBloomberg) July 28, 2020

[suzzer99]

At least it wasn't 12 monkeys.

[TLO]

Someone from reddit who seems to know what they're talking about.

Troponins don’t indicate clinically significant permanent damage. It does indicate damage and stress to the heart muscle which does not regenerate, but it does not necessarily cause a measurable decrease of heart function.

For that, you’d need long term follow up with echos, ekgs, and/or stress tests.

Elevated troponins is not uncommon in people with any severe illness, especially if they have underlying heart disease. Elevated troponins alone does NOT mean the patient is having a heart attack without other supporting evidence.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by jdubya

?Asking ?for a ?friend but has this ?been peer reviewed?

I scanned the article and it seems to acknowledge the possibility of undiagnosed pre existing conditions. The median age is 49 which is young but certainly in the age range where many can begin having CAD including inflammation. Interesting read and worth studying but folks dont need to run for the hills or dig a hole in the backyard yet.

So I can take myself from Defcon 1?

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

I think I met him yesterday...

Guy comes in the shop saying it's all BS. we had our first death in county saturday morning (a grandma who got it from her 5 year old grandson BTW) but this guy says the person who died was his mom and she never was tested for covid.

I told him it wasn't his mom they were counting, he countered with "how many people from our county could have died in one day? "

I personally know the lady who died. It wasn't his mom they were counting.

I think there genuinely is a problem with the media sensationalizing some aspects of the story by not reporting honestly or completely - such as what mix of the new cases are asymptomatic and the fact that hospitals, except in certain border counties and other exceptional situations are not overflowing, and how the death rate's coupling with the case count has changed.

That's an issue, and this sort of media dishonestly and sensationalism will send cranks like Pete and this person you met searching for things that seem more honest, and lacking the sense to know any better they will land on conspiracy nonsense

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Get a degree in IT like Pete and you’d be real knowledgeable.

You mean a GED in IT.

[MahomesMagic]

Ha. Turnabout is fair play!


Meanwhile, many countries that thought they’d brought the virus under control are now seeing second waves. Tegnell called those developments “worrying.”

“The positive trend is reversing, with an increase in the number of cases in Spain, Romania and Belgium, among others,” he said.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...w-cases-plunge

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

At least it wasn't 12 monkeys.

Deaths lag, don't you know?

Give it two weeks, sheeish.

[dirk digler]

Russia is going to start giving their citizens a covid vaccine they developed in the next couple of weeks. What could go wrong?