***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[TLO]

Originally Posted by ghak99

The local prison is wreaking havoc.

Some dumb shit went to work at a retail location not feeling well and within an hour was sent home. Supposedly, said dumb shit and a family member, who works at the prison, went to the next county over and got positive test results within an hour. The retail store is being shut down for a cleaning crew to come in and the shift she exposed is being told to stay home.

I had no idea results could even be had within a few hours.

Yes. Rapid tests can give you a diagnosis in about 15 minutes.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

You can't read all these articles and studies I am sharing with you to back my opinion? It's a shame you think you know it all. I prefer to rely on a body of evidence and decades of known side effects from malaria drugs.

You're so slow you can't even come up with a creative nickname for me and just copied me. ****ing loser!

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

Yes. Rapid tests can give you a diagnosis in about 15 minutes.

We need more of those in mass at that.

Think about it....you can spread the disease from breathing yet they have to swab your brain to see if you are infected.....

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Springfield was having quite a few for a hit but it seems hopefully to have settled a bit

I know that in some places they are jacking up the case count by testing the same person multiple times. If you test positive that's a case. If you test positive again say 10 days later they add that as another case.


That's the word around the water cooler anyway.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

Strong words

Of course YouTube yanked the video....

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by lewdog

You didn’t read my articles then dipshit. You’re posting more anecdotal shit.

They’re showing people surviving at better rates given other treatments than when given that drug. It can provide heart failure as a side effect. The patients she “saved” would have likely made it with traditional treatments too instead of risking their health with possible nasty side effects.

Reading between the lines, he's probably been spun up by the conspiracy nonsense breitbart posted about HCQ today.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by TLO

Yes. Rapid tests can give you a diagnosis in about 15 minutes.

So are they expensive, less accurate? Why aren't they testing pro athletes and making them wait for results before letting them into facilities?

Sounds better than trying to keep them in a bubble.

[Chitownchiefsfan]

I always love to check in on this thread and find Pete. Continuing to get owned.

[jdubya]

I like Pete

I like Lewdog

**** me that I enjoy dialogue......in a monologue world

Both Pete and Lew kick ass......keep on keeping on boys

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by TLO

Yes. Rapid tests can give you a diagnosis in about 15 minutes.

I have purposely been out of the loop. I was just surprised a band aid station out in bfe could get results that fast when we're still hearing about people in much larger areas, that I assume have much better hospitals, having to wait days for results.

[MahomesMagic]

Spain's experience shows that Sweden's Covid approach could have been right all along
At the end of this we may well conclude that countries which attempted total suppression of the virus killed their economies for zero gain

Of all the countries which have imposed lockdown on their citizens, none approached the matters with as much enthusiasm as did Spain. Outdoor exercise was banned, citizens were fined if their dared visit the second-closest pharmacy to their homes and children were allowed no excuse to be out of doors at all. The police set about enforcing the rules with a zealousness matched only by the French: in one town a group of residents were seized upon for trying to get around the ‘no exercise’ rule by taking the same dog for multiple walks...

That is the logic once you establish a policy which puts suppression of a virus above all other economic and social concerns. Once you make a god out of the R-number there is no way out, short of what may well turn out to be an elusive vaccine. Do we want to suppress our lives for a year, five years, 10 years – or even decades, as Sage member Sir Jeremy Farrar suggested last week as a lifespan of the Covid-19 crisis?
There is, and always was, another way: that followed by Sweden (and initially in Britain, too, however much the government now tries to deny it), where it is accepted that Covid-19 will inevitably find some way of working its way through the human population – and that we control it rather than try to stop it, relying on herd immunity eventually to frustrate it.

Yet as Spain’s experience shows, it is far too early to declare the Swedish experiment a failure. Indeed, many "lockdown countries" like Spain, Italy and Britain already have higher death rates than Sweden. At the end of this we may well look back and conclude the virus ended up doing what it was always going to do – kill a small but fairly consistent percentage of citizens across all countries – and that countries which attempted total suppression of the virus killed their economies for zero gain.

http://archive.is/t0r0b#selection-869.0-869.505

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Spain's experience shows that Sweden's Covid approach could have been right all along
At the end of this we may well conclude that countries which attempted total suppression of the virus killed their economies for zero gain

Of all the countries which have imposed lockdown on their citizens, none approached the matters with as much enthusiasm as did Spain. Outdoor exercise was banned, citizens were fined if their dared visit the second-closest pharmacy to their homes and children were allowed no excuse to be out of doors at all. The police set about enforcing the rules with a zealousness matched only by the French: in one town a group of residents were seized upon for trying to get around the ‘no exercise’ rule by taking the same dog for multiple walks...

That is the logic once you establish a policy which puts suppression of a virus above all other economic and social concerns. Once you make a god out of the R-number there is no way out, short of what may well turn out to be an elusive vaccine. Do we want to suppress our lives for a year, five years, 10 years – or even decades, as Sage member Sir Jeremy Farrar suggested last week as a lifespan of the Covid-19 crisis?
There is, and always was, another way: that followed by Sweden (and initially in Britain, too, however much the government now tries to deny it), where it is accepted that Covid-19 will inevitably find some way of working its way through the human population – and that we control it rather than try to stop it, relying on herd immunity eventually to frustrate it.

Yet as Spain’s experience shows, it is far too early to declare the Swedish experiment a failure. Indeed, many "lockdown countries" like Spain, Italy and Britain already have higher death rates than Sweden. At the end of this we may well look back and conclude the virus ended up doing what it was always going to do – kill a small but fairly consistent percentage of citizens across all countries – and that countries which attempted total suppression of the virus killed their economies for zero gain.

http://archive.is/t0r0b#selection-869.0-869.505

Sweden's economy is expected to shrink just as much as neighboring countries while significantly more people died than neighboring countries. Winning?

Wish I knew why people think a country the size of California with 30 million less people in it is some kind of model to follow.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Sweden's economy is expected to shrink just as much as neighboring countries while significantly more people died than neighboring countries. Winning?

Wish I knew why people think a country the size of California with 30 million less people in it is some kind of model to follow.

I'm in NY. My metropolitan area has 1 million people. I have been wearing a mask for 5 months, businesses and schools were closed and we have 673 deaths per million. Sweden has under 600.

I wish we had followed what they did instead of destroy peoples lives and businesses. We also will see a spike in crime, suicides, heart disease, domestic abuse, child abuse. Oh well, at least we imagined we were achieving something.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I'm in NY. My metropolitan area has 1 million people. I have been wearing a mask for 5 months, businesses and schools were closed and we have 673 deaths per million. Sweden has under 600.

I wish we had followed what they did instead of destroy peoples lives and businesses. We also will see a spike in crime, suicides, heart disease, domestic abuse, child abuse. Oh well, at least we imagined we were achieving something.

Once again, Sweden is doing no better than their neighboring countries economically with significantly more dead. They also closed schools and have a good portion of their population self isolating. We can stop pretending they are a success.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

https://www.healthy.arkansas.gov/ima...vid_notice.pdf

ADH requires a person exposed to COVID-19 to complete a 14-day quarantine period, even though they may have a negative test result during the quarantine period.Quarantine of persons known to be exposed to someone with COVID-19 is a key strategy to stopping the spread of the illness.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...uarantine.html

Quarantine is used to keep someone who might have been exposed to COVID-19 away from others. Quarantine helps prevent spread of disease that can occur before a person knows they are sick or if they are infected with the virus without feeling symptoms. People in quarantine should stay home, separate themselves from others, monitor their health, and follow directions from their state or local health department.

You are not considered "exposed" unless you are a close contact dude. JFC this isn't complicated, your links even mention the term "contact". You do "contact tracing" only in the event of a close contact and you only quarantine close contacts.

I've only been dealing with this daily for a few months now. Can you imagine if every person who had brief interaction with someone was considered a exposed and had to quarantine? It would be ludicrous which is apparently what you believe.