***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

He nailed China and Sweden. He said they would get to about 6000. Meanwhile, Imperial College and IHME predicted 90000 to 100000 dead in Sweden by July 1st.

Levitt> Neil "Bird Flu" Ferguson

Yeah no. Only Agenda Approved takes are allowed here.

[lawrenceRaider]

Scientists Uncover Evidence That a Level of Pre-Existing COVID-19 / SARS-CoV-2 Immunity Is Present in the General Population

https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-...al-population/

[NewChief]

Just found out that one of my good friends, slightly older than me but in good shape and fit, just got out of hospital. He said it was a horrifying experience and he was pretty scared for a while. His wife, not in as good of shape and with some pre-existing health issues, just had flu like symptoms for a few days.

Only point for me is that anecdotal evidence is so much more powerful than statistical. His report shook me up because he's the first person I've known personally and who is of similar situation (White, affluent, healthy, middle aged) to get deathly ill. I had been feeling pretty okay about things. Intellectually, I know things aren't any different than before I got his report, but it still affected me differently on an emotional level.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

He nailed China and Sweden. He said they would get to about 6000. Meanwhile, Imperial College and IHME predicted 90000 to 100000 dead in Sweden by July 1st.

Levitt> Neil "Bird Flu" Ferguson

China, eh?

How did he "nail" Sweden?

Do you think he "nailed" the USA?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Yeah no. Only Agenda Approved takes are allowed here.

I'm not sure what that means. But one should expect everything to be challenged.

[O.city]

Michael Mina is talking about cheap quick tests that aren’t necessarily as sensitive as pcr but give instant results

That’s what we need. Something you lick everyday and it gives immediate results

[Donger]

Originally Posted by O.city

Something you lick everyday and it gives immediate results

I've had that for a while.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Donger

China, eh?

How did he "nail" Sweden?

Do you think he "nailed" the USA?

He predicted deaths in Sweden within 1000 while Imperial College and IHME (used by many states to inform policy) was off by a factor of 20.

Team Apocalypse has a horrible track record so far.

They have been wildly off on deaths and hospitalizations every step if the way.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

He predicted deaths in Sweden within 1000 while Imperial College and IHME (used by many states to inform policy) was off by a factor of 20.

Team Apocalypse has a horrible track record so far.

They have been wildly off on deaths and hospitalizations every step if the way.

Can you provide a link to this Sweden prediction?

You didn't answer whether you think he "nailed" the USA.

I don't know what outfit the task force used to predict that we'd have 100,000 to 240,000 deaths with mitigation efforts, but it is and has been accurate. You'd agree with that, right?

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Donger

Can you provide a link to this Sweden prediction?

You didn't answer whether you think he "nailed" the USA.

I don't know what outfit the task force used to predict that we'd have 100,000 to 240,000 deaths with mitigation efforts, but it is and has been accurate. You'd agree with that, right?

No. There is no evidence all of this did anything at all.

As an example, Neil Ferguson when asked how his model when applied to Sweden could be so off since they did not close businesses, close schools or wear masks said they did achieve mitigation.

Through voluntary social distancing!!

The emperor has no clothes here folks. All we had to do was was wash our hands and voluntarily social distance to get the virus under control?!

From Professor Lockdown himself. Incredible.

Michael Levitt is right. These scientists should be put on trial for the massive damage and suffering they have caused.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

No. There is no evidence all of this did anything at all.

As an example, Neil Ferguson when asked how his model when applied to Sweden could be so off since they did not close businesses, close schools or wear masks said they did achieve mitigation.

Throught voluntary social distancing!!

The emperor has no clothes here folks. All we had to do was was wash our hands and voluntarily social distance to get the virus under control?!

From Professor Lockdown himself. Incredible.

Michael Levitt is right. These scientists should be put on trial for the massive damage and suffering they have caused.

There's no evidence that all of this did anything. I presume that you mean our mitigation efforts?

If so, that's just silly.

And, it can be demonstrated that the 100,000 to 240,000 dead estimate was and is accurate, and it was made in March. DaFace proved that long ago. You can deny that fact because you apparently think we shouldn't have taken the efforts we did, but again, it's just willful ignorance.

As to the rest, just a bunch of hyperbolic and unreasonable tripe.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Donger

There's no evidence that all of this did anything. I presume that you mean our mitigation efforts?

If so, that's just silly.

And, it can be demonstrated that the 100,000 to 240,000 dead estimate was and is accurate, and it was made in March. DaFace proved that long ago. You can deny that fact because you apparently think we shouldn't have taken the efforts we did, but again, it's just willful ignorance.

As to the rest, just a bunch of hyperbolic and unreasonable tripe.

Michael Levitt also made a prediction. That the virus would cause 1 month excess death. The Doomers and Neil Ferguson, Royal Society said 1 year excess deaths.

We can look at Sweden and see the Doomers/ Lockdowners were dead wrong.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Michael Levitt also made a prediction. That the virus would cause 1 month excess death. The Doomers and Neil Ferguson, Royal Society said 1 year excess deaths.

We can look at Sweden and see the Doomers/ Lockdowners were dead wrong.

Actually, as you can see, he was completely wrong in his March prediction regarding the USA.

I'm not sure why you are attempting to hold up Sweden as a successful response to the pandemic:

More than 5,500 people have died with Covid-19 in this country of just 10 million. It is one of the highest death rates relative to population size in Europe, and by far the worst among the Nordic nations. Unlike Sweden, the rest all chose to lock down early in the pandemic.

They now (and have for a while) more stringent mitigation efforts than their neighbors, and guess what. Their cases dropped.

I get you have an opinion and an agenda, but to just ignore facts that you don't like just makes you look like an agenda-driven fool.

[Kidd Lex]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/26/polit...ntv/index.html

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Donger

Actually, as you can see, he was completely wrong in his March prediction regarding the USA.

I'm not sure why you are attempting to hold up Sweden as a successful response to the pandemic:

More than 5,500 people have died with Covid-19 in this country of just 10 million. It is one of the highest death rates relative to population size in Europe, and by far the worst among the Nordic nations. Unlike Sweden, the rest all chose to lock down early in the pandemic.

They now (and have for a while) more stringent mitigation efforts than their neighbors, and guess what. Their cases dropped.

I get you have an opinion and an agenda, but to just ignore facts that you don't like just makes you look like an agenda-driven fool.

Projection!

Of course you changed the subject because you cannot explain why 100,000 are not dead without lockdown.