***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

How dare I insult St. Fauci! Oh noes!

Not being intentionally thick at all...

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Agendas speak louder than anything in the US.

People would rather take one picture or one quote to prop up an argument they made in March to prove they were "right" all along, than accept the fact the point of science isn't "being right", but to collect data, draw conclusions on that data, then adjust conclusions as more data is available.

If "catching" Fauci not wearing a mask 24/7 in that context is enough for you to draw broad conclusions... ok?

I actually dont give a rats ass if he wears a mask or not nor do I go Karen on anybody that doesnt wear a mask. I do find it amusing that some of the same folks that see anybody else in that picture besides Fauci and they would become unglued but....it is Fauci so..........must defend!

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by jdubya

I actually dont give a rats ass if he wears a mask or not nor do I go Karen on anybody that doesnt wear a mask. I do find it amusing that some of the same folks that see anybody else in that picture besides Fauci and they would become unglued but....it is Fauci so..........must defend!

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[Donger]

Originally Posted by jdubya

I actually dont give a rats ass if he wears a mask or not nor do I go Karen on anybody that doesnt wear a mask. I do find it amusing that some of the same folks that see anybody else in that picture besides Fauci and they would become unglued but....it is Fauci so..........must defend!

I doubt that anyone would become unglued if it were three other people in that picture in an empty stadium.

What's your issue with Dr. Fauci?

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Donger

I doubt that anyone would become unglued if it were three other people in that picture in an empty stadium.

What's your issue with Dr. Fauci?

Are you asking me or yourself?

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by jdubya

I actually dont give a rats ass if he wears a mask or not nor do I go Karen on anybody that doesnt wear a mask. I do find it amusing that some of the same folks that see anybody else in that picture besides Fauci and they would become unglued but....it is Fauci so..........must defend!

I'm sure there's such a lowest common denominator of Karen out there who would be hypocritical in that case, just like all of the black and white hyperbole in here this morning.

It's pretty much impossible to have a rational conversation about most of it anymore.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

How dare I insult St. Fauci! Oh noes!

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Not being intentionally thick at all...

Lookit, when you're the expert telling everyone they need to wear masks and you get spotted not wearing a mask people are going to have a hay day with with.

[luv]

Can I just say that I'm so glad I have another year to wait before starting the kiddo in kindergarten?

[Discuss Thrower]

Why was Fauci even there after throwing the first pitch? No fans in the stands means there shouldn't be any fans in attendance. But that doesn't seem to apply to the "right" strata of people.

Some agendas are more equal than others I guess.

[BigCatDaddy]

Discuss killing it in this thread.

[petegz28]

Here's some red meat for yas.....

I-Team: Deaths incorrectly attributed to COVID-19 in Palm Beach CountyWEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — A 60-year-old man who died from a gun shot wound to the head.

A 90-year-old man who fell and died from complications of a hip fracture.

A 77-year-old woman who died of Parkinson's disease.

These are some of the deaths in Palm Beach County recently, and incorrectly, attributed to COVID-19 in medical examiner records.


The CBS12 News I-Team uncovered several examples in Medical Examiner reports of people counted as a COVID death who did not die of COVID.

We requested a list of all COVID-19 deaths in Palm Beach County from the Medical Examiner's office and received a spread sheet of 581 cases.

Each person on the spreadsheet is someone who tested positive for COVID-19.

In each case line, the person's cause of death and contributing causes of death are listed, if there are any.

The I-Team found eight cases in which a person was counted as a COVID death, but did not have COVID listed as a cause of contributing cause of death.

"I think it is completely misleading," said Rachel Eade, a Palm Beach County resident who has been researching the same issue.

"We need to remove those cases that are not COVID exclusive, and we need to be giving people that information," said Eade, who is one of the plaintiffs suing Palm Beach County for its mask mandate.

She said of the 581 deaths on the spreadsheet, only 169 deaths are listed as COVID without any contributing factors.

Governor Ron DeSantis said in a recent appearance on Fox News that his office is aware of deaths incorrectly attributed to COVID-19, like the case of a man in Orange County who died in a motorcycle crash, but was listed as a COVID death.

"I think the public, when they see the fatality figures, they want to know who died because they caught COVID," said DeSantis.

"If you're just in a car accident - and we have had other instances where there is no real relationship and it's been counted, we want to look at that and see how pervasive that issue is as well."

The I-Team took our findings to the Palm Beach County Medical Examiner's office, and Operations Manager Paul Petrino said the eight we flagged were in fact errors, and should not have been on their spreadsheet.

He said office is in the process of removing them.

We asked Petrino if these erroneous deaths were reported to the state Department of Health and counted toward official COVID death counts, and he said the DOH should have caught the mistakes and not included them.

https://cbs12.com/news/local/i-team-...m-beach-county

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I'm sure there's such a lowest common denominator of Karen out there who would be hypocritical in that case, just like all of the black and white hyperbole in here this morning.

It's pretty much impossible to have a rational conversation about most of it anymore.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Why was Fauci even there after throwing the first pitch? No fans in the stands means there shouldn't be any fans in attendance. But that doesn't seem to apply to the "right" strata of people.

Some agendas are more equal than others I guess.

James Spader Lost My Interest GIF from Jamesspader GIFs

[KCUnited]

Bet Fauci also flies middle seat

[Chief Roundup]

The college I work at is part of the NAIA division of the NCAA and they announced today that we were going to be having online only classes this semester and that all athletics have been canceled.