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**Rain Man** · 03-22-2009, 12:15 AM

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.

Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)

Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.

Teams As Of Post #113:

Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

**Rain Man** · 05-09-2013, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefscafan

NFL Draft 2013:

1-13: OLB Jarvis Jones Georgia

2-34: CB Dave Amerson

2-39: QB Geno Smith WVU

3-63: TE Travis Kelcie Cincinnati

3-72: WR Stedman Bailey WVU

3-96: OC Brian Schwenkie California

4-99: OG/OT Barrett Jones Alabama

5-134: DT Jessie Williams Alabama

5-141: ILB AJ Klien Iowa State

6-178: DE Joe Kruger Utah

6-204: DE/OLB Mike Capatano Princeton

I hadn't noticed that you made your picks. It's interesting that most of the same players rose to the top of the list for both of us, especially in the 5th round. But even above that, most of the guys you picked were guys I was considering as well.

**wazu** · 05-16-2013, 02:53 PM

The Fresno Refugees accepted the Alex Smith trade very begrudgingly. I can't stand the trade for the actual real Chiefs, but the reality was that going into this draft, I could not anticipate what situation any of the rookie QBs would be drafted into on their real life teams. So the only way to have near-certainty that my team would have a QB who is actually starting in the NFL was to accept a trade for a QB who I am not excited about. That won't stop me from continuing to swing and miss at this position until our franchise QB is found.

In addition to the Alex Smith trade, we are trading our 1-1 pick to the Cardinals, along with our 4-99 and 7-207, and receiving the Cardinals' 1-7 and 2-38 picks in return.

The Fresno Refugees 2013 Draft Class:

1-7: Tavon Austin, WR (Rams)
2-38: Geno Smith, QB (Jets)
3-63: Travis Kelce, TE (Chiefs)
3-96: Tyler Wilson, QB (Raiders)
5-134: Jesse Williams, DT (Seahawks)
6-170: John Boyett, S (Colts)
6-204: Jordan Poyer, CB (Eagles)

To answer all of your questions - YES, Rainman stole most of my picks by pre-emptively reading my mind and posting before I could. Seriously, though, first four were no-brainers for me given how much I liked those two QBs. I just don't believe the negativity about this quarterback class and am insisting that I be proven wrong the hard way. Was also glad to see the Chiefs take a TE I like. Was not sure he was my favorite, but seemed like a good time to go with the flow.

Williams and Poyer at first seemed like fantastic coincidences that we both drafted, but then again those are two players who fell pretty far from where they were projected, so not surprising that they caught the attention of multiple armchair GMs who have limited visibility to the other players taken in late rounds. I did not see them on Rainman's list prior to selecting.

**Rain Man** · 05-16-2013, 04:37 PM

So three of us have independently selected Jesse Williams in the fifth round. How fascinating. I wonder what NFL teams were reluctant about relative to what we know.

The three drafters so far have an uncanny amount of overlap. Frankly, I drafted Kelce begrudgingly for need more than anything, so others see more than I do, and I was also hesitant about Geno but decided he was worth the risk. It'll be interesting to see how these guys turn out.

**wazu** · 05-17-2013, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

So three of us have independently selected Jesse Williams in the fifth round. How fascinating. I wonder what NFL teams were reluctant about relative to what we know.

The three drafters so far have an uncanny amount of overlap. Frankly, I drafted Kelce begrudgingly for need more than anything, so others see more than I do, and I was also hesitant about Geno but decided he was worth the risk. It'll be interesting to see how these guys turn out.

I was influenced pretty heavily by Mayock's ratings on NFL.com. When scrolling through picks fifth round and farther, Williams stood out as being pretty much without peer, which led me to investigate further and figure it was a pretty good value.

I drafted Geno on general principle. I would have spent first overall. In fact even today I'd happily trade Fisher to the Jets for Geno straight-up. All of the criticism was cause for some pause, but bottom line is he was clearly the best QB in the draft, and our team desperately needs a franchise QB. Gotta roll the dice. Without a top QB everything else we do is just window dressing.

With Kelce, I wasn't a fan when I first saw the pick, but it grew on me after I learned more. I've been struggling at that spot ever since agreeing to the disastrous Tony Gonzalez trade. The fact that he is in a good situation and was drafted by the Chiefs made it an easy decision.

patteeu · 05-19-2013, 11:10 AM

I'll get to this soon. I swear I'm not just waiting so I can copy off of the three of you.

**Rain Man** · 05-19-2013, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu

I'll get to this soon. I swear I'm not just waiting so I can copy off of the three of you.

If you sign Jesse Williams and Geno Smith, we'll know that you're either copying or you're doing due diligence.

patteeu · 08-04-2013, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I will begin by stating that we reject the Alex Smith trade, thus keeping our 2nd round pick.

We will also trade our 1-1 pick to the Jets, along with our 7-207, and we will receiver the Jets' 1-13, 2-39, 3-72, and 5-141 picks in return. In this scenario, we acquire 1,925.5 points and four picks, and we give up 1,956.2 points and two picks.

As I said before, I accepted the trade for Alex Smith, but that Jets trade is too good to pass up so I'm doing the same thing.

Here are my picks, sorry it's so late:

1.13 (13) - Sheldon Richardson DT (Jets)
2.07 (39) - Cornellius Carradine DE (49ers)
3.01 (63) - Terrance Williams WR (Cowboys)
3.10 (72) - Terron Armstead OT (Saints)
3.34 (96) - Knile Davis RB
4.02 (99) - Josh Boyce WR (Patriots)
5.01 (134) - Sanders Commings CB
5.08 (141) - Oday Aboushi OT (Jets)
6.02 (170) - Ryan Swope WR (retired)
6.36 (204) - Vince Williams LB (Steelers)

I know Ryan Swope is retired, but I was high on him so I would have taken him if I'd done this right after the draft.

I'm also adding these guys to my roster:

Chase Daniel QB
Tyler Bray QB
Ryan D'Imperio FB
Donnie Avery WR
Anthony Fasano TE
Demetrius Harris TE
Marcus Dixon DE
Mike DeVito DE
Frank Zombo LB
Akeem Jordan LB
Edgar Jones LB

And cutting:

Eric Winston
Kevin Boss
Steve Breaston
Matt Cassel
Brady Quinn
Ricky Stanzi
Nate Eachus
Peyton Hillis
Ryan Lilja
Abram Elam
Stanford Routt

**Rain Man** · 08-04-2013, 08:06 PM

Armstead and Aboushi were two guys I was giving a long look at, and I finally went with Menelik Watson in the second. It'll be interesting to see if Armstead or Watson ends up being the keeper.

patteeu · 08-05-2013, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Armstead and Aboushi were two guys I was giving a long look at, and I finally went with Menelik Watson in the second. It'll be interesting to see if Armstead or Watson ends up being the keeper.

Yeah, Menelik Watson was my first thought for OT help, but I didn't like the fact that he was drafted by the Raiders. It's a new front office and coaching staff so it's probably unfair, but I couldn't get over (my perception of) their history of difficulty drafting and developing offensive linemen. And I needed defensive line help so I went that direction instead.

patteeu · 08-05-2013, 02:18 PM

So here's a thought. How hard would it be to use the Sandbox Simulations engine to rate our final 53 man rosters?

**Rain Man** · 08-05-2013, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu

So here's a thought. How hard would it be to use the Sandbox Simulations engine to rate our final 53 man rosters?

Hmm, now that's an interesting thought. And then we could throw the current Chiefs roster in there as a baseline.

I suspect it might be a fair amount of work right now, but when we crank up another league I might be able to talk cdcox into it.

**wazu** · 09-04-2013, 09:11 PM

Oh wait - do we have to cutdown to 53 tonight?

**Rain Man** · 09-04-2013, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu

Oh wait - do we have to cutdown to 53 tonight?

Edit: Delete my previous response. I was thinking this was Sandbox.

Yes! Good point!

**wazu** · 09-04-2013, 09:49 PM

My roster (I'm running short, doing a poor job):

QB
Alex Smith
Brock Osweiler (Broncos)
Geno Smith (Jets)
Tyler Bray
Tyler Wilson (Raiders)
Chase Daniel
Mark Sanchez (Jets)

RB
Jamaal Charles
Anthony Sherman

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Donnie Avery
Tavon Austin (Rams)
Rishard Matthews (Dolphins)
AJ Jenkins

TE
Travis Kelce
Anthony Fasano
Chase Coffman (Falcons)

OT
Branden Albert
Eric Winston
Donald Stephenson

G
Jon Asamoah
Geoff Schwartz
David DeCastro (Steelers)

C
Rodney Hudson

K
Ryan Succop

P
Dustin Colquitt

S
Eric Berry
Geroge Iloka (Bengals)
Hasain Abdullah
Quintin Demps

CB
Brandon Flowers
Sean Smith
Dunta Robinson
Jordan Poyer (Eagles)

OLB
Tamba Hali
Justin Houston
Ricky Sapp (Jets)

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Vontaze Burflict (Bengals)
Frank Zombo

DE
Allen Bailey
Mike DeVito

NT
Terrence Cody (Ravens)
Cam Thomas (Chargers)
Alameda Ta'amu (Cardinals)
Jesse Williams (Seahawks) - IR

**Rain Man** · 09-04-2013, 11:07 PM

My 53-man roster. Cuts are shown below.

QB
Russell Wilson (Seahawks)
Geno Smith (Jets)
Tyler Bray
Tyler Wilson (Raiders)

I was hoping to see more out of the rookies, but they have time to develop behind my sophomore phenom. We're young here, but with potential.

HB
Jamaal Charles
C.J. Spiller. (Bills)
Denard Robinson (Jaguars)

We'll see how Robinson develops, but I'm incredibly strong here.

FB/H-Back
Travis Kelce (Chiefs)

It may have been a mistake to not draft a fullback. Let's see what you can do, Travis.

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Kendall Wright (Titans)
WR Donnie Avery
Leonard Hankerson (Redskins)

I like my starters in Bowe and Wright, and Avery will fit right into the slot. Hankerson is a good fourth receiver but it would be nice to have a fifth receiver.

TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons)
Anthony Fasano
Kevin Brock

Lots of depth here. Maybe Tony can split out wide sometimes.

OT
Branden Albert
Eric Winston
Menelik Watson (Raiders)
Geoff Schwartz

We're okay here since Winston is starting. And Watson may be an up and comer at the position.

G
Wade Smith
Alex Boone (49ers)
Brian Waters
Jason Pinkston (Browns)

Good talent and depth. Wade was a pro bowler last year. No problems at all here. And my patience with Brian Waters has paid off, oddly.

C
Rodney Hudson (Chiefs)

I hope he develops. Worst case, if he doesn't or if he gets hurt I can move Wade Smith easily into this position.

K
Alex Henery (Eagles)

Perfectly fine.

P
Dustin Colquitt

Pro bowler.

FS
Baccari Rambo (Redskins)
Kendrick Lewis

Wow! I got a new starter to replace Kendrick Lewis, and I got him cheap!

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)
Quinton Demps

I'm very strong here as Jones is a rising star. Depth? Demps will do.

CB
Brandon Flowers
Alphonso Dennard (Patriots)
CB Sean Smith
CB Dunta Robinson
D.J. Moore (Bears)
Jordan Poyer (Eagles)

We're strong here, and I'm pleased with my drafting.

OLB
Tamba Hali
Zach Brown (Titans)
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers)
LB Frank Zombo
Chris Carter (Steelers)

This unit is coming together. Hali and Brown are strong starters, and Watson is now a starter. Plus Zombo and Carter are solid backups.

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)
AJ Klein (Panthers)

I like Klein as a backup and my starters are strong.

DE
DE Mike DeVito
DE Alex Carrington (Bills)
Da'Quan Bowers (Buccaneers)
Ropati Pitoitua
Jonathan Massaquoi (Falcons)

We're going 3-4 this year with DeVito and Carrington as decent starters. My depth is pretty weak.

NT
Star Lotulelei (Panthers)
Brandon Williams (Ravens)
Jesse Williams (Seahawks)
Anthony Toribio

Lots of rookies. Moving Star into a starting role.

Overall, I think we're pretty strong. Our strengths are the offensive backfield and LBs, and I've managed to put together a good defensive backfield with a small investment. However, the offense is the focus of the team right now with a fair amount of speed, youth, and firepower.

Our weaknesses are the defensive line, which is pretty unproven and thin despite numerous high draft pick investments, and our OL is okay but no great shakes. I'm hoping that my three rookie defensive linemen will make a fast transition to the pros.

Hard Cuts:

FS Hasain Abdullah
TE Steve Maneri
OT Tommie Draheim
OLB Dezmon Moses

Easy Cuts:

QB Mark Sanchez (Jets)
QB Chase Daniel 3 years
QB Jimmy Clausen (Panthers)
HB Shaun Draughn
HB Nate Eachus
FB Ryan D'Imperio
FB Peyton Hillis
WR Mardy Gilyard
WR Greg Salas (Rams)
WR Steve Breaston
TE Kevin Boss
RT Bruce Campbell (Raiders/Panthers)
LG Lilja, Ryan
FS Charles Mitchell (Falcons)
FS Travis Daniels
SS Abram Elam
SS Tysyn Hartman
CB Stanford Routt
OLB Andy Studebaker
OLB Chad Kilgore
ILB Brandon Siler
DE Ronnell Lewis (Lions)
DT Marcus Dixon
DT Ron Edwards
WR Chad Hall
TE Sean McGrath
NT Jaye Howard
OLB Josh Martin
ILB James-Michael Johnson
CB Marcus Cooper
CB Ron Parker

03-22-2009, 12:15 AM
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Rain Man's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house	Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years. 1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster. 2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add. 3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing. 4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster. 5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have. 6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post. 6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. 7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players. Original post: You can ignore this now. Spoiler! Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon. The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting. Here's how the game will work. Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.) Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly. Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub". Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285. Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues. Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player. There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap. I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting. So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team. Teams As Of Post #113: Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox) Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333) Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman) Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon) Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover) Duluth Normans (Rain Man) El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz) Fargo Rape (SNR) Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good) Fresno Refugees (Adam) Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter) Hartford Manticores (Crush) Honolulu Craters (Sully) Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu) Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser) Little Rock Reapers (doomy3) Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan) Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis) Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut) Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka) Omaha Streakers (speak24) Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry) Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72) San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog) Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg) Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23) Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts) Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1) Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie) Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk) Worcester Sauce (unothadeal) Added Rules and Reminders: 1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted. 2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in. 3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent. For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259) For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.) You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.) Last edited by Rain Man; 04-25-2024 at 11:30 AM..*
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05-16-2013, 02:53 PM	#392
wazu ... wazu's Avatar Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO	The Fresno Refugees accepted the Alex Smith trade very begrudgingly. I can't stand the trade for the actual real Chiefs, but the reality was that going into this draft, I could not anticipate what situation any of the rookie QBs would be drafted into on their real life teams. So the only way to have near-certainty that my team would have a QB who is actually starting in the NFL was to accept a trade for a QB who I am not excited about. That won't stop me from continuing to swing and miss at this position until our franchise QB is found. In addition to the Alex Smith trade, we are trading our 1-1 pick to the Cardinals, along with our 4-99 and 7-207, and receiving the Cardinals' 1-7 and 2-38 picks in return. The Fresno Refugees 2013 Draft Class: 1-7: Tavon Austin, WR (Rams) 2-38: Geno Smith, QB (Jets) 3-63: Travis Kelce, TE (Chiefs) 3-96: Tyler Wilson, QB (Raiders) 5-134: Jesse Williams, DT (Seahawks) 6-170: John Boyett, S (Colts) 6-204: Jordan Poyer, CB (Eagles) To answer all of your questions - YES, Rainman stole most of my picks by pre-emptively reading my mind and posting before I could. Seriously, though, first four were no-brainers for me given how much I liked those two QBs. I just don't believe the negativity about this quarterback class and am insisting that I be proven wrong the hard way. Was also glad to see the Chiefs take a TE I like. Was not sure he was my favorite, but seemed like a good time to go with the flow. Williams and Poyer at first seemed like fantastic coincidences that we both drafted, but then again those are two players who fell pretty far from where they were projected, so not surprising that they caught the attention of multiple armchair GMs who have limited visibility to the other players taken in late rounds. I did not see them on Rainman's list prior to selecting.
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05-16-2013, 04:37 PM	#393
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Rain Man's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house	So three of us have independently selected Jesse Williams in the fifth round. How fascinating. I wonder what NFL teams were reluctant about relative to what we know. The three drafters so far have an uncanny amount of overlap. Frankly, I drafted Kelce begrudgingly for need more than anything, so others see more than I do, and I was also hesitant about Geno but decided he was worth the risk. It'll be interesting to see how these guys turn out.
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05-19-2013, 11:10 AM	#395
patteeu The 23rd Pillar patteeu's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2002	I'll get to this soon. I swear I'm not just waiting so I can copy off of the three of you.
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08-04-2013, 08:06 PM	#398
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Rain Man's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house	Armstead and Aboushi were two guys I was giving a long look at, and I finally went with Menelik Watson in the second. It'll be interesting to see if Armstead or Watson ends up being the keeper.
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08-05-2013, 02:18 PM	#400
patteeu The 23rd Pillar patteeu's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2002	So here's a thought. How hard would it be to use the Sandbox Simulations engine to rate our final 53 man rosters?
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09-04-2013, 09:11 PM	#402
wazu ... wazu's Avatar Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO	Oh wait - do we have to cutdown to 53 tonight?
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09-04-2013, 09:49 PM	#404
wazu ... wazu's Avatar Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO	My roster (I'm running short, doing a poor job): QB Alex Smith Brock Osweiler (Broncos) Geno Smith (Jets) Tyler Bray Tyler Wilson (Raiders) Chase Daniel Mark Sanchez (Jets) RB Jamaal Charles Anthony Sherman WR Dwayne Bowe Donnie Avery Tavon Austin (Rams) Rishard Matthews (Dolphins) AJ Jenkins TE Travis Kelce Anthony Fasano Chase Coffman (Falcons) OT Branden Albert Eric Winston Donald Stephenson G Jon Asamoah Geoff Schwartz David DeCastro (Steelers) C Rodney Hudson K Ryan Succop P Dustin Colquitt S Eric Berry Geroge Iloka (Bengals) Hasain Abdullah Quintin Demps CB Brandon Flowers Sean Smith Dunta Robinson Jordan Poyer (Eagles) OLB Tamba Hali Justin Houston Ricky Sapp (Jets) ILB Derrick Johnson Vontaze Burflict (Bengals) Frank Zombo DE Allen Bailey Mike DeVito NT Terrence Cody (Ravens) Cam Thomas (Chargers) Alameda Ta'amu (Cardinals) Jesse Williams (Seahawks) - IR Last edited by wazu; 09-05-2013 at 08:55 PM..
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09-04-2013, 11:07 PM	#405
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Rain Man's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house	My 53-man roster. Cuts are shown below. QB Russell Wilson (Seahawks) Geno Smith (Jets) Tyler Bray Tyler Wilson (Raiders) I was hoping to see more out of the rookies, but they have time to develop behind my sophomore phenom. We're young here, but with potential. HB Jamaal Charles C.J. Spiller. (Bills) Denard Robinson (Jaguars) We'll see how Robinson develops, but I'm incredibly strong here. FB/H-Back Travis Kelce (Chiefs) It may have been a mistake to not draft a fullback. Let's see what you can do, Travis. WR Dwayne Bowe Kendall Wright (Titans) WR Donnie Avery Leonard Hankerson (Redskins) I like my starters in Bowe and Wright, and Avery will fit right into the slot. Hankerson is a good fourth receiver but it would be nice to have a fifth receiver. TE Tony Gonzalez (Falcons) Anthony Fasano Kevin Brock Lots of depth here. Maybe Tony can split out wide sometimes. OT Branden Albert Eric Winston Menelik Watson (Raiders) Geoff Schwartz We're okay here since Winston is starting. And Watson may be an up and comer at the position. G Wade Smith Alex Boone (49ers) Brian Waters Jason Pinkston (Browns) Good talent and depth. Wade was a pro bowler last year. No problems at all here. And my patience with Brian Waters has paid off, oddly. C Rodney Hudson (Chiefs) I hope he develops. Worst case, if he doesn't or if he gets hurt I can move Wade Smith easily into this position. K Alex Henery (Eagles) Perfectly fine. P Dustin Colquitt Pro bowler. FS Baccari Rambo (Redskins) Kendrick Lewis Wow! I got a new starter to replace Kendrick Lewis, and I got him cheap! SS Reshad Jones (Dolphins) Quinton Demps I'm very strong here as Jones is a rising star. Depth? Demps will do. CB Brandon Flowers Alphonso Dennard (Patriots) CB Sean Smith CB Dunta Robinson D.J. Moore (Bears) Jordan Poyer (Eagles) We're strong here, and I'm pleased with my drafting. OLB Tamba Hali Zach Brown (Titans) Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers) LB Frank Zombo Chris Carter (Steelers) This unit is coming together. Hali and Brown are strong starters, and Watson is now a starter. Plus Zombo and Carter are solid backups. ILB Derrick Johnson Rey Maualuga (Bengals) AJ Klein (Panthers) I like Klein as a backup and my starters are strong. DE DE Mike DeVito DE Alex Carrington (Bills) Da'Quan Bowers (Buccaneers) Ropati Pitoitua Jonathan Massaquoi (Falcons) We're going 3-4 this year with DeVito and Carrington as decent starters. My depth is pretty weak. NT Star Lotulelei (Panthers) Brandon Williams (Ravens) Jesse Williams (Seahawks) Anthony Toribio Lots of rookies. Moving Star into a starting role. Overall, I think we're pretty strong. Our strengths are the offensive backfield and LBs, and I've managed to put together a good defensive backfield with a small investment. However, the offense is the focus of the team right now with a fair amount of speed, youth, and firepower. Our weaknesses are the defensive line, which is pretty unproven and thin despite numerous high draft pick investments, and our OL is okay but no great shakes. I'm hoping that my three rookie defensive linemen will make a fast transition to the pros. Hard Cuts: FS Hasain Abdullah TE Steve Maneri OT Tommie Draheim OLB Dezmon Moses Easy Cuts: QB Mark Sanchez (Jets) QB Chase Daniel 3 years QB Jimmy Clausen (Panthers) HB Shaun Draughn HB Nate Eachus FB Ryan D'Imperio FB Peyton Hillis WR Mardy Gilyard WR Greg Salas (Rams) WR Steve Breaston TE Kevin Boss RT Bruce Campbell (Raiders/Panthers) LG Lilja, Ryan FS Charles Mitchell (Falcons) FS Travis Daniels SS Abram Elam SS Tysyn Hartman CB Stanford Routt OLB Andy Studebaker OLB Chad Kilgore ILB Brandon Siler DE Ronnell Lewis (Lions) DT Marcus Dixon DT Ron Edwards WR Chad Hall TE Sean McGrath NT Jaye Howard OLB Josh Martin ILB James-Michael Johnson CB Marcus Cooper CB Ron Parker Last edited by Rain Man; 09-04-2013 at 11:15 PM..
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