***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Kidd Lex

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/19/polit...ess/index.html

Guess the $600 unemployment benefits simply being extended wasn’t a no brainer after all. I got roasted for pointing this out weeks ago. Here’s to hoping the government extends the benefits while also incentivizing those that go back to work. It will be an epic disaster if benefits are ended altogether.

“expected to release their proposal this week, are generally loath to extend the full benefit. They feel it creates a disincentive for people to return to work, a concern echoed by some business owners. Instead, GOP lawmakers are considering scaling back the enhancement by several hundred dollars and creating a bonus for those who go back to work.“

This seems to make sense.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Kidd Lex

That’s incredible. T Cells being created in almost all infected is huge, and with the news from Oxford that their vaccine creates three fold the immune protection of a natural infection things are starting to look much more hopeful to get past this pandemic in the next 6-12 months.

I’m really optimistic by Christmas it’ll be in the rear view

Or hopeful

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by DaFace

It's the one "herd immunity" theory that seems like it's got a CHANCE to be true. Let's hope so.

There has been a ton of evidence pointing this direction for quite awhile but people either dismiss or ignore it.

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[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

There has been a ton of evidence pointing this direction for quite awhile but people either dismiss or ignore it.

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100% accurate. Seems like now we are starting to put science to the assumptions.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

There has been a ton of evidence pointing this direction for quite awhile but people either dismiss or ignore it.

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And like anything with a new virus there’s information showing the opposite. People are showing the ability to get reinfected with some showing only short term immunity. It may not be common now but it could become more common as immunity wears off for those infected earlier this year. That could provide herd immunity as almost impossible.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost...ing-635550/amp

[Johnny Vegas]

Originally Posted by Kidd Lex

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/19/polit...ess/index.html

Guess the $600 unemployment benefits simply being extended wasn’t a no brainer after all. I got roasted for pointing this out weeks ago. Here’s to hoping the government extends the benefits while also incentivizing those that go back to work. It will be an epic disaster if benefits are ended altogether.

“expected to release their proposal this week, are generally loath to extend the full benefit. They feel it creates a disincentive for people to return to work, a concern echoed by some business owners. Instead, GOP lawmakers are considering scaling back the enhancement by several hundred dollars and creating a bonus for those who go back to work.“

I know people still waiting to get the first unemployment check and they’re already back at work after 2 months laid off.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by lewdog

And like anything with a new virus there’s information showing the opposite. People are showing the ability to get reinfected with some showing only short term immunity. It may not be common now but it could become more common as immunity wears off for those infected earlier this year. That could provide herd immunity as almost impossible.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost...ing-635550/amp

Yay anecdotes! An actual study of people exposed to SARS in 2003 showed they had T Cells that were effective at fighting off Covid.

It's possible that some miniscule percentage of people can be reinfected but right now there is little reason to focus on that when more and more evidence shows that even when antibodies fade, T Cell responses persist.

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[Donger]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

There has been a ton of evidence pointing this direction for quite awhile but people either dismiss or ignore it.

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Or missed this ton of evidence.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Donger

Or missed this ton of evidence.

It's all been posted here (or in DC) before.

Cross immunity
T Cell responses
Heterogeneity of susceptibility
...the list at goes on...

Feel free to search for yourself.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

Yay anecdotes! An actual study of people exposed to SARS in 2003 showed they had T Cells that were effective at fighting off Covid.

It's possible that some miniscule percentage of people can be reinfected but right now there is little reason to focus on that when more and more evidence shows that even when antibodies fade, T Cell responses persist.

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Wasn’t my point, but you’re talking in absolutes on immunity when that’s clearly not the case. And I know from hospitals here they are seeing people return with second COVID infections. It IS happening.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

It's all been posted here (or in DC) before.

Cross immunity
T Cell responses
Heterogeneity of susceptibility
...the list at goes on...

Feel free to search for yourself.

I thought you were saying that there's a ton of evidence that herd immunity is happening. Apologies if that isn't correct.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Donger

I thought you were saying that there's a ton of evidence that herd immunity is happening. Apologies if that isn't correct.

No, unfortunately there is not enough hard evidence for that yet. (It seems likely though... At least to a degree)

We'll get a better picture as more places that were hit hard early start to open up.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Wasn’t my point, but you’re talking in absolutes on immunity when that’s clearly not the case. And I know from hospitals here they are seeing people return with second COVID infections. It IS happening.

are there any trends with second infections as to if they are affecting patients the same, better or worse than the first infection?

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by jdubya

are there any trends with second infections as to if they are affecting patients the same, better or worse than the first infection?

Usually it’s a more mild case but we are seeing more severe second infections as well. Just like everything about this virus, it’s so damn variable from person to person. I still think the viral load you’re subjected to plays a huge role in severity of cases and likely your ability to get reinfected.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by Johnny Vegas

I know people still waiting to get the first unemployment check and they’re already back at work after 2 months laid off.

I was long back to work before I ever saw any money from the state of Kansas.