***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I totally agree with what you are saying, but below is where the problem with that lies. It is unfortunate but true.

Read the article... it doesn't say absolutely every single person should stay home, one of the simulations shows only a quarter of people practicing 'social distancing'.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Do what?

This idea we have a 14 day shutdown....shutdown exactly meaning?

Its absurd, unenforceable, and unrealistic

Do what? Shut every non-essential business down. Close them down where no person is working or no person is a customer.
It is not absurd. It is not unenforceable nor unrealistic.

[Jewish Rabbi]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Some interesting data from the CDC is leading some to report that we may have been visited by this and mis-attributed cases to the flu that were really Corona. Combined with how it is spreading this person (quoting some gov sources) seems to think a lot of people have already had the Corona virus. Not sure if the increases are more due to having fewer tests early on the positively ID Corona but the spike in cases attributed to the flu in Dec and Jan are interesting.

Check out the spike in flu in Washington in the fall. pic.twitter.com/EoZK4iJvjS

— Justin Hart (@justin_hart) March 15, 2020

I’ve also wondered how long it’s been here. Just before Christmas I had an illness I couldn’t shake, high fever and chills, dry cough, runny nose, a couple days I struggled to take full breaths. Finally went to urgent care after Christmas and was given a Z-Pack with no testing of any sort. Obviously I got through it, but it makes me wonder what I truly had.

[displacedinMN]

Minn schools closed Mar 18-27.

But one of those weeks is spring break for a lot of schools.

So our district will have one day of school this week. As of now....

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

I’ve also wondered how long it’s been here. Just before Christmas I had an illness I couldn’t shake, high fever and chills, dry cough, runny nose, a couple days I struggled to take full breaths. Finally went to urgent care after Christmas and was given a Z-Pack with no testing of any sort. Obviously I got through it, but it makes me wonder what I truly had.

I believe its been here longer than they let on.
Ive known someone that went through the same 2 week ass kicking of a cold and flue.
Was kicking it over at Bugs house lastnight and he said he knew someone to that went through a 2 week funk.

[HonestChieffan]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Do what? Shut every non-essential business down. Close them down where no person is working or no person is a customer.
It is not absurd. It is not unenforceable nor unrealistic.

How would u see such an event? Martial law? Who decides essential? Who pays the bills?

Trucking essential? Fuel stations/restaurants essential Grocery, hospitals and pharmacies?
Ag businesses, feed, fertilizer, slaughter...all essential

The list goes on....govt can close govt/schools But to force independent businesses to shut down will never happen

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Do what? Shut every non-essential business down. Close them down where no person is working or no person is a customer.
It is not absurd. It is not unenforceable nor unrealistic.

Define non-essential.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

How would u see such an event? Martial law? Who decides essential? Who pays the bills?

Trucking essential? Fuel stations/restaurants essential Grocery, hospitals and pharmacies?
Ag businesses, feed, fertilizer, slaughter...all essential

The list goes on....govt can close govt/schools But to force independent businesses to shut down will never happen

Well, I don't know about NEVER. The governor of Colorado just forced all ski areas closed for a week. Of course, many of them had already decided to do so on their own.

[HonestChieffan]

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

I’ve also wondered how long it’s been here. Just before Christmas I had an illness I couldn’t shake, high fever and chills, dry cough, runny nose, a couple days I struggled to take full breaths. Finally went to urgent care after Christmas and was given a Z-Pack with no testing of any sort. Obviously I got through it, but it makes me wonder what I truly had.

Im sure someone has thought of this, but if you have it and recover, will testing still reveal you had the virus for some time after? Seems like testing those who had what was called flu has a place

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Read the article... it doesn't say absolutely every single person should stay home, one of the simulations shows only a quarter of people practicing 'social distancing'.

I did, many other articles and announcements by all the health organizations states to not have large groups of people gather. That is what is going on there in the French quarter after the Gov. suspended schools.

[Spott]

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

I’ve also wondered how long it’s been here. Just before Christmas I had an illness I couldn’t shake, high fever and chills, dry cough, runny nose, a couple days I struggled to take full breaths. Finally went to urgent care after Christmas and was given a Z-Pack with no testing of any sort. Obviously I got through it, but it makes me wonder what I truly had.

Syphilis?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Im sure someone has thought of this, but if you have it and recover, will testing still reveal you had the virus for some time after? Seems like testing those who had what was called flu has a place

I only know the basics, but my understanding is that the answer is yes, but not through a "normal" test. The tests they're administering now will tell if the virus is active in the person - they won't detect someone who has already had it and recovered. A different type of test in the future will tell us what percentage of people actually had it, but it won't be something that's administered to a ton of people - just to random samples so that the analysis can be done.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

How would u see such an event? Martial law? Who decides essential? Who pays the bills?

Trucking essential? Fuel stations/restaurants essential Grocery, hospitals and pharmacies?
Ag businesses, feed, fertilizer, slaughter...all essential

The list goes on....govt can close govt/schools But to force independent businesses to shut down will never happen

Originally Posted by ghak99

Define non-essential.

Those have already been defined by the Government. Do a little research and you will see. We have a modified version of what France did coming.
Have you all not been paying attention about "bills"? Those will all be deferred at first if not there will be more government bail out money that will have to be paid out later.

[Spott]

Originally Posted by loochy

pic.twitter.com/N80c1tSSxE

— Tom Hanks (@tomhanks) March 13, 2020

If there’s one thing to learn from this, it’s to never travel with Tom Hanks under any circumstance.

[HonestChieffan]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Well, I don't know about NEVER. The governor of Colorado just forced all ski areas closed for a week. Of course, many of them had already decided to do so on their own.

OK, skiing would be non essential.....im in on that....and Curling. No damn curling.