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08-24-2018, 02:45 PM | #3946 |
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Yeah, I'd say if a guy misses nearly a full month of play and manages a top 3 finish in the MVP race, he's probably being adequately rated especially when a significant part of his value was derived from his defense.
Voters rarely give a damn about defense in those races and Cain was given full marks for his. In the process he finished ahead of a guy who scored more runs, drove in more runs and hit more than twice as many bombs as he did while having a higher OPS. But while Manny was merely an excellent defensive 3b that year, Cain played a more critical defensive position and was the best in baseball at it. For once the voters actually paid attention to that. If anything, I think they put TOO much weight in it, but that's just me (as someone who simply doesn't trust publicly available defensive metrics). At times Cain wasn't given the credit he deserved but when the Royals were at their best, virtually everyone acknowledge that Cain was the biggest part of it from the position player side. |
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08-24-2018, 02:48 PM | #3947 | |
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Cain was the 2nd piece in the Greinke deal to most. He just never captured the imagination of fans because of that. Maybe you're right - maybe among rank and file Royals fans he was never given his due credit because he wasn't quite as popular due to the history. But as a general statement - "Lorenzo Cain was underrated during the Royals WS years" simply doesn't strike me as accurate. Across baseball people knew exactly how good Lorenzo Cain was. |
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08-24-2018, 02:57 PM | #3948 | |
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08-24-2018, 03:15 PM | #3949 | |
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08-24-2018, 03:17 PM | #3950 | |
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08-24-2018, 03:39 PM | #3951 |
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If there's any justice in the world, Cain finally gets his Gold Glove with another Top 3 finish in the MVP race (if not higher).
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08-24-2018, 07:35 PM | #3952 |
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Kauffman Stadium is leaking.
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08-24-2018, 07:59 PM | #3953 |
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08-24-2018, 08:13 PM | #3954 |
Wasted away again...
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08-24-2018, 08:15 PM | #3955 |
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08-24-2018, 09:14 PM | #3956 |
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Why in the absolute **** is Brandon Maurer still with the Royals? JFC
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08-24-2018, 09:40 PM | #3957 |
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Haha, O'Hearn and Dozier back to back jacks to lead off the 9th and a walk off win.
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08-24-2018, 09:45 PM | #3958 |
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That was ... unexpected
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08-24-2018, 09:49 PM | #3959 |
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I'm awesome...
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08-24-2018, 10:33 PM | #3960 |
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