***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Pants

The main one is that you're a ****ing sheep, loochy.

Do you want to be a ****ing sheep, man? Are you going to let the Bill Gates-funded deep state take your freedumbz away? ARE YOU?

Hey, for even a minimal reduction in the risk of getting sick, you can call me a sheep all day if the only freedumb taken is that I have to wear a silly mask.


It's a positive anyway because most people are hideous and should have their faces covered anyway. And most women look more attractive because now I can imagine a beautiful face and smile under that mask instead of seeing the terrible WalMart teeth.

[AdolfOliverBush]

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by loochy

yeah, but did the people wearing masks make themselves sicker because it traps the virus and then feeds it back to the host along with decreasing oxygen? (or whatever the anti mask argument is)

Through mutual friends I spent New Years with some people who are clearing land and trying to create a little off-the-grid eco-village in South Baja, near Todos Santos. Off-the-grid is pretty cool imo.

But of course they're also virulent anti-vaxxers and I'm sure would be anti-maskers. The wife doesn't even believe in sunscreen or sunglasses - like those somehow do more harm than good. Everything has to be natural. Which is great if you tan but my ginger ass would get burnt to a crisp in the Baja sun.

I wanted to ask her stance on brushing her teeth and wiping her ass. You never see a monkey wiping its ass. But since I was a guest I just bit my tongue. She did make sourdough pancakes in the morning, with real maple syrup from Canada, that were the best I ever had.

I'm on the FB expat groups for Mexico and all the Central American countries. Soooooooo many conspiracy nuts that think this whole thing is a hoax. I really hope that's not representative if the expat communities there at large - since I may be one soon.

[suzzer99]

Super rough guesstimate. But assuming CFR (confirmed case fatality rate) of 5% - Florida, Arizona and Texas all come eyeball-test close to a one month lag from cases to deaths.

Extrapolating that to a month from now we get: Florida 1000 deaths/day, Texas maybe 900/day, AZ 500/day. What do hospitals look like in that scenario? It can't be good.

I expect the pool to get older and more at-risk (IE the people registering as new cases now vs. a month ago) since early on it was mostly young people. So you’d think those numbers should actually get worse by some degree. But how much older and at-risk people are isolating vs. say in March, and how careful younger people are not to give it to older/at-risk people in their lives - is a big unknown.

Has anyone seen a more rigorous estimate along these lines? It doesn’t really matter what you peg the CFR at, but you do need to caveat that it doesn’t stay constant. But what I like is that CFR very likely not getting better for this wave as it evolves. So you can say the analysis is conservative for # of deaths/day in one month from now.

I don’t think the analysis is as valid for the US since we have regions going in completely opposite directions at the moment.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

If cloth masks worked then they would have been recommended half a year ago.

We had a doctor on a web deal with our city council. He said cloth are about 10-30% effective.

[jdubya]

CDC doc suggesting "northerners" brought the virus to the south??


REDFIELD: "If you look at the south, everything happened around June 12th to June 16th. It all simultaneously kind of popped. We’re of the view that there was something else that was the driver. Maybe the Memorial Day, not weekend but the Memorial Day week, where a lot of Northerners decided to go south for vacation."

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

We had a doctor on a web deal with our city council. He said cloth are about 10-30% effective.

Enjoy your thread ban.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Enjoy your thread ban.

They keep me around so they can pretend they arent completely bias.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

We had a doctor on a web deal with our city council. He said cloth are about 10-30% effective.

Is that better than 0%?

[Pants]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

We had a doctor on a web deal with our city council. He said cloth are about 10-30% effective.

What study is the doctor quoting? Was it Dr. Olathe?

[Pants]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Is that better than 0%?

Sounds like the new goal post is "cloth masks don't work as well as xyz masks" instead of the old "masks don't work."

I think that's quite a bit of progress with the low-IQ people.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Pants

What study is the doctor quoting? Was it Dr. Olathe?

[Demonpenz]

I want to work at wal mart to yell at people

[DaneMcCloud]

California shatters its daily record of coronavirus with 11,000 new cases yesterday

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ses-in-one-day

Officials also announced 144 additional COVID-19 fatalities Tuesday, the state’s second-highest single-day death toll. Statewide, more than 6,700 patients who’ve tested positive for COVID-19 are hospitalized, according to the latest official data. That, too, is a new high.

Los Angeles County continues to bear a disproportionate share of the outbreak. Public health officials there confirmed 4,244 new cases and 2,103 hospitalizations Tuesday — both single-day records.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Is that better than 0%?

What kind of mask where you wearing? Both times. Asking for a friend.