***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by eDave

Did it matter to your teachers, school board or local and state governments?

Everything trickles up quite often.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Like I stated, I am well aware of most of the people's positions in this particular thread when it comes to individual freedoms.They prefer them reduced.

You think kids will have the same reasoning for going back to school as adults would ?

I have no problems letting my kids make mistakes which I think is an important part of life but I don't think they are informed enough on this subject to be able to make a decision on their own in this case .

Using "freedoms" as an excuse to be an idiot is well idiotic.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

You think kids will have the same reasoning for going back to school as adults would ?

I have no problems letting my kids make mistakes which I think is an important part of life but I don't think they are informed enough on this subject to be able to make a decision on their own in this case .

Using "freedoms" as an excuse to be an idiot is well idiotic.

I think a lot of times kids have better perspectives than over bearing adults. I sent my 12 year old back last week as did hundreds of others. You have to live.your life man. Hiding in the basement playing Madden with Mecca after he brings home a pizza from work can't go on forever. I know I'm screaming at the sky with this group so I won't waste my time on it.

[Donger]

SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- Gov. Gavin Newsom ordered several sectors to once again shut down Monday amid an increasingly concerning coronavirus surge.

Bars, both indoor and outdoor, will be forced to close down statewide. Restaurants are being told to cease indoor operations. Outdoor dining and takeout are still allowed.

All counties also have to close indoor operations at wineries, tasting rooms, movie theaters, family entertainment centers, zoos, museums and cardrooms.

In counties on the state's watch list, even more businesses are being required to close their doors. That includes gyms, hair salons, barbershops, nail salons, other personal care services, indoor malls, offices in non-critical sectors, and places of worship.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I think a lot of times kids have better perspectives than over bearing adults. I sent my 12 year old back last week as did hundreds of others. You have to live.your life man. Hiding in the basement playing Madden with Mecca after he brings home a pizza from work can't go on forever.

My kids have been playing hockey for over a month now , and I have no problems letting go back to school if they open up, but I want my kids to be able to make informed decisions and not just YOLO it through life .

It must be nice for your kids to have no rules and the ability to do whatever they want whenever they want.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I think a lot of times kids have better perspectives than over bearing adults. I sent my 12 year old back last week as did hundreds of others. You have to live.your life man. Hiding in the basement playing Madden with Mecca after he brings home a pizza from work can't go on forever. I know I'm screaming at the sky with this group so I won't waste my time on it.

Who is saying anything about forever?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Donger

SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- Gov. Gavin Newsom ordered several sectors to once again shut down Monday amid an increasingly concerning coronavirus surge.

Bars, both indoor and outdoor, will be forced to close down statewide. Restaurants are being told to cease indoor operations. Outdoor dining and takeout are still allowed.

All counties also have to close indoor operations at wineries, tasting rooms, movie theaters, family entertainment centers, zoos, museums and cardrooms.

In counties on the state's watch list, even more businesses are being required to close their doors. That includes gyms, hair salons, barbershops, nail salons, other personal care services, indoor malls, offices in non-critical sectors, and places of worship.

BCD said they would never do that though , because freedoms and such.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Monticore

BCD said they would never do that though , because freedoms and such.

This kind of thing is unnecessary. Thanks.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by Great8

My daughter will be a senior this year, and she definitely wants to go back to school in person.
She misses her friends, she wants a prom, and a real senior year.
It looks like she is going to be able to go 2 days in person, and the other 3 days remotely.
They are having half of the school go on Monday and Tuesday, the other half on Thursday and Friday, with Wednesday being a cleaning day at the school.
She has told me that she gets so much more out of face to face class time as opposed to the remote learning.

I think this is a great opportunity to really rethink how we do education in America even post Covid-19. Personally, I think a Monday/Thursday and Tuesday/Friday schedule in that scenario would be more beneficial (and safer) for the students and faculty.

Hopefully, as a whole, we can move further away from standardized testing (and pedagogy) and more towards skill mastery so that students learn at the pace that best suits them.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by eDave

This kind of thing is unnecessary. Thanks.

Probably , just trying to speak their language, my bad.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Like I stated, I am well aware of most of the people's positions in this particular thread when it comes to individual freedoms.They prefer them reduced.

So you believe that someone should be able to drive a car through your neighborhood with no regard to their blood alcohol level? Naked men should be able to go into your kids school without repercussion? You didn't put your infant kids in a child's car seat? You don't pay attention to speed limits or wear a seat belt?

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Sure did.

You apparently can't even make good decisions as an adult so probably not much change since high school.

[tooge]

This doesn't affect my wife or I because my kids are both HS kids that drive now. But, neither of us are able to work from home in our lines of work. If I had kids that were younger, that couldn't stay home by themselves, one of us would have to quit our jobs. I feel bad for people that have to do that.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Probably , just trying to speak their language, my bad.

No worries. It's an easy temptation that attempts to normalizes shitty behavior.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

I think this is a great opportunity to really rethink how we do education in America even post Covid-19. Personally, I think a Monday/Thursday and Tuesday/Friday schedule in that scenario would be more beneficial (and safer) for the students and faculty.

Hopefully, as a whole, we can move further away from standardized testing (and pedagogy) and more towards skill mastery so that students learn at the pace that best suits them.

Kids need more independent self motivated learning , so this last semester wasn’t that bad I think my kids had to figure some stuff on their own more but they would need better access to teachers etc . I understand not all kids would do well but my kids needed a kick in the butt the stuff they were doing at school was a tad to easy for them.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Monticore

HS kids have been proven to be really bad at decision making .

Well there are people that think we should change the voting age to 16.