***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by EWOK

Right now they have drive up service, so the problem becomes if the parent can't/won't make the trip to the school.

Man, that sucks and I'm really sorry to hear about that because no child should go to bed hungry in this country.

Fortunately, LAUSD has delivery drivers and pick up options available.

[Loneiguana]

Don't know if this was posted last week, but after re opening schools, Israel is pointing at schools as spreaders.
July 8, 2020

Tuesday was Israel’s worst day of contagion, with 1,400 new cases of COVID-19 announced, a record since the start of the outbreak.

Event spaces, bars, and gyms have been re-shut but instructions regarding public transportation remain unclear, and the transport and finance ministers squabble on the airwaves.

On Tuesday, in testimony to the Israeli parliament, Dr. Udi Kliner, Sadetzki’s deputy, reported that schools—not restaurants or gyms—turned out to be the country’s worst mega-infectors.

https://news.yahoo.com/second-wave-c...&ICID=ref_fark

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by eDave

How are they screwed?

My guess is that it derives from an American Academy of Pediatrics article published a few weeks ago stressing the importance of in-person learning for children. They've since walked it back after being criticized for not taking into account the well being and safety of staff and teachers.

[BigCatDaddy]

I know most here arent a big fan of letting others chose for themselves but I would be interested to hear what high school kids thoughts are on the matter of retuning.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

My guess is that it derives from an American Academy of Pediatrics article published a few weeks ago stressing the importance of in-person learning for children. They've since walked it back after being criticized for not taking into account the well being and safety of staff and teachers.

I can support that notion as I have worked from home for a considerable amount of time and collaboration is sorely missed. But one year of it certainly isn't screwing anyone. It screws the parents, which is the angle I presume he is coming from.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I know most here arent a big fan of letting others chose for themselves but I would be interested to hear what high school kids thoughts are on the matter of retuning.

my 17 year old nephew with major health problems wants to go experience his senior year. I get it, but...

yeah, let's totally let 17 year olds and younger decide. they have way better judgement and ability to make good decisions than adults with knowledge and experience, right?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

my 17 year old nephew with major health problems wants to go experience his senior year. I get it, but...

yeah, let's totally let 17 year olds and younger decide. they have way better judgement and ability to make good decisions than adults with knowledge and experience, right?

Their input should absolutely matter

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I know most here arent a big fan of letting others chose for themselves but I would be interested to hear what high school kids thoughts are on the matter of retuning.

HS kids have been proven to be really bad at decision making .

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Their input should absolutely matter

Did your input matter to your parents when you where a teenager? It certainly didn't matter to my parents.

"Do what you're told or pack your bags" is a pretty easy rule to follow.

[Great8]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I know most here arent a big fan of letting others chose for themselves but I would be interested to hear what high school kids thoughts are on the matter of retuning.

My daughter will be a senior this year, and she definitely wants to go back to school in person.
She misses her friends, she wants a prom, and a real senior year.
It looks like she is going to be able to go 2 days in person, and the other 3 days remotely.
They are having half of the school go on Monday and Tuesday, the other half on Thursday and Friday, with Wednesday being a cleaning day at the school.
She has told me that she gets so much more out of face to face class time as opposed to the remote learning.

[TLO]

What's the cut off point for one of these Phase III trial vaccines being "good enough" and distributed out to the public?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Did your input matter to your parents when you where a teenager? It certainly didn't matter to my parents.

"Do what you're told or pack your bags" is a pretty easy rule to follow.

Sure did.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by TLO

What's the cut off point for one of these Phase III trial vaccines being "good enough" and distributed out to the public?

Also..I'm curious to how these are fast tracked.. What corners are cut to get it through faster?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

HS kids have been proven to be really bad at decision making .

Like I stated, I am well aware of most of the people's positions in this particular thread when it comes to individual freedoms.They prefer them reduced.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Sure did.

I would think the kids wanting to return are in the minority with a majority of those just wishing to be around their friends IRL.