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*****The Patrick Mahomes Thread*****
IT ****ING HAPPENED
OP UPDATE: Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy! Last edited by Dante84; 05-17-2017 at 09:40 AM.. |
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11-09-2023, 01:57 PM | #38431 | |
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11-09-2023, 01:58 PM | #38432 |
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11-09-2023, 02:00 PM | #38433 |
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11-09-2023, 02:01 PM | #38434 | |
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Y'all have found a couple little ambiguous charts that don't provide their methodology, meanwhile I'm AT the games and have seen time and time again that guys are getting open at their break and Mahomes simply isn't letting the ball go. He's refusing to throw guys open. Again, look at those charts and look at where many of those names are in relation to others. They're simply not good metrics. If you see Justin Watson as some world beater because your chart tells you he is, that's a problem. That's silly. If you think Rice is mediocre (or worse) because the chart tells you he is, then you're not watching these games. There have been guys to throw to. Guys in windows larger than throws Mahomes has made in his sleep for a half decade. He's simply unwilling to attempt them at this point. |
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11-09-2023, 02:04 PM | #38435 | |
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In order: Kelce Rice Pacheco Toney Gray We only have 2 WR's that average over 10 yds per play and that is MVS and Watson the rest are around 6-7, Rice actually is doing good at 9.2. Toney is at 4.5 |
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11-09-2023, 02:05 PM | #38436 |
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How much separation did Rice have on that great catch Sunday?
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11-09-2023, 02:07 PM | #38437 |
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Stop working backwards from a preconceived narrative and I'll consider it.
I'm providing some actual spadework for my conclusions here. Hell, I've used YOUR chosen metrics to address some of this stuff. You're posting graphics you've not even bothered to look into the methodology on (and admittedly don't care anyway) and cherry picking gifs. I'm not convinced. |
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11-09-2023, 02:10 PM | #38438 | |
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1 of those show a guy "open". |
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11-09-2023, 02:13 PM | #38439 |
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11-09-2023, 03:07 PM | #38440 | ||
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Mahomes throws it to the open guys. Period. |
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11-09-2023, 04:17 PM | #38441 |
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11-09-2023, 04:24 PM | #38442 |
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Noah Grey wide open for a 50 yard TD. Mahomes looking that way. Stepped up in the pocket and just didn’t throw the ball.
The safety is failing his arms trying to get his teammates attention that they have someone wide open on that side of the field https://substack.com/redirect/edda3c...XOx6FZOKRn76FQ |
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11-09-2023, 05:36 PM | #38443 | |
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I'm not convinced ADOT is that meaningful and I will explain with your Mac Jones comparison. Patrick Mahomes job after all is to do whatever possible to maximize the Chiefs chancres of winning Super Bowls. And how Patrick Mahomes plays QB in a given game/season should be partially dependent upon the strength of the Chiefs defense. With a stonger defense, there is less of a need to throw up 50/50 balls to average receivers. Winning regular season games helps a team increase their SB odds if players don't get hurt but increasing ADOT may not necessarily help Chiefs win another SB. QBR isn't the end all stat for judging passers since a QB can theoretically have a worse year passing and his QBR goes up 10-15 points. Dramatically better receivers/better offensive line etc. But QBR is worth looking at for the effectiveness of a passing game. Mac Jones 40. Patrick Mahomes this year. 73. (1 game without Kelce hurts the numbers) My best guess given the Patriots offensive line woes the first 2-3 weeks and injuries at wide receiver throughout the season, Mahomes is New England this year would have a QBR in the low to mid 60's. The media would be saying "what is wrong" with Mahomes if he didn't already have 2 Super Bowl rings but he would still be doing excellent overall. And one way he would achieve that is probably throwing the ball less to Davante Parker since Parker is very bad at getting separation. He doesn't get much at all and relies upon winning 50/50 balls. Mac Jones ADOT is probably higher since he has thrown too many 50/50 balls to Davante Parker even when the two are not on the same page. And the Patriots have another receiver who isn't good at short routes. Mahomes is too smart and too good to take too many relatively low percentage chances when he doesn't have to. Mac Jones on average does have markedly worse weapons and on average a worse offensive line than Mahomes right now but ADOT may also be misleading since Chiefs tend to do a better job spreading the field. Mahomes can throw across his body/across the field and has the arm strength to make the throw, Mac Jones doesn't. |
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11-09-2023, 06:32 PM | #38444 |
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JuJu can't even get playing time for a team that gave him a ridiculous contract and that has one of the worst WR groups in the NFL. He's bone on bone in his bad knee. That doesn't get better, it just keeps getting worse.
The JuJu of this season can't do what the JuJu of last season could do, hell he was already breaking down at the end of last season. 2023 JuJu << than 2022 JuJu, and 2024 JuJu will be even worse than 2023 JuJu. That's how chronic knee issues work. He's shot. Done. Toast. Bringing him back would solve absolutely nothing. |
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11-10-2023, 09:20 PM | #38445 |
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