***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[tyecopeland]

Originally Posted by Donger

So that's saying that Florida had 89 deaths since between early April and late June??

No it's just showing when those 120 deaths occurred. Not showing any of the previously reported deaths.

Of course I dont know the veracity of the claim but my reading comprehension is good. Don't be obtuse now, you usually do a good job.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Donger

So that's saying that Florida had 89 deaths since between early April and late June??

It's saying of the 120 reported today, 89 of them occurred during that time frame.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's saying of the 120 reported today, 89 of them occurred during that time frame.

Okay good. And how did this person come to this conclusion? He doesn't show his work.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by O.city

The usual panic brigade is at it again - and that includes MOST of the media who can't be bothered with facts. "120 New Deaths in Florida!" This is a great moment to explain WHY what you see in the press and on the dashboards ISN'T actually what's happening. pic.twitter.com/yZvU75JP7g

— Justin Hart (@justin_hart) July 9, 2020

I don't necessarily doubt this, but referring to them as "news" deaths (I assume he means "new") makes you have a bit of skepticism. There's definitely a lot of truth to the reporting lag, though.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Donger

Okay good. And how did this person come to this conclusion? He doesn't show his work.

He provided this link in the replies. I haven't dug into it to try and replicate.

https://open-fdoh.hub.arcgis.com/dat...bute=EventDate

[Donger]

Originally Posted by DaFace

He provided this link in the replies. I haven't dug into it to try and replicate.

https://open-fdoh.hub.arcgis.com/dat...bute=EventDate

Yes, I found it. I don't see when deaths occurred and were reported. Kind of a strange website.

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by ghak99

It has been interesting to watch.

I know a few who are living higher right now than they ever have in their life. They're sitting at home making more money than they did working their normal 25-30 hours while picking up school program provided lunches and a weekly USDA food box. If you get someone to sign a paper, you can pick up other people's boxes as well. I've seen what is in these school lunches and boxes and it definitely adds up fast. Two of them are also taking advantage of a church sponsored program for evening meals. They're also still getting their regular child support checks. They've flat out said there's no way in hell they're going back to work until they're absolutely forced to.

I also know several "essential" employees who never recieved a day off through the mess while working for less than they could have made if they had just managed to get fired. If anything, their jobs got harder than they were, and all for the same pay.

There is a serious divide that's been driven and some people are going to remember this deal for a long time.

Articulated what I apparently couldn't. The Government would do well to address those essential workers with some form of incentive/compensation.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, I found it. I don't see when deaths occurred and were reported. Kind of a strange website.

I'm guessing that you have to download the raw dataset. But I'm not entirely clear what the various dates listed mean either.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

yep being saying that multiple times, deaths lag by 4-6 weeks. We won't know until August in regards to the current spike in cases.

And apparently the reporting of deaths lags even longer than that in some cases? What about case counts? How delayed are they?

There's so much "information" and "misinformation" floating around it seems impossible to know what's truly happening.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I'm guessing that you have to download the raw dataset. But I'm not entirely clear what the various dates listed mean either.

That site is not very clear about the datasets. Im not sure how that dude came up with the dates of those deaths. People will just post shit because a vast majority of people won't even look into the actual data and think since he put it into a chart then he must be telling the truth. Same shit that ethical skeptic dipshit did.

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by tyecopeland

Missouri is making everyone on unemployment do 3 work searches to remain eligible starting this week. It's not going to force people to get a job but it will make it a little harder.

Grab the phone book and fill in the blank. Business name, Address, phone number. DONE.

[tyecopeland]

Originally Posted by Eureka

Grab the phone book and fill in the blank. Business name, Address, phone number. DONE.

I dont know how it works, didnt have to worry about it as I started back to work this week with summer school starting.

Didnt know if it was as easy as just listing businesses or if there was more to it.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

That site is not very clear about the datasets. Im not sure how that dude came up with the dates of those deaths. People will just post shit because a vast majority of people won't even look into the actual data and think since he put it into a chart then he must be telling the truth. Same shit that ethical skeptic dipshit did.

It's almost like you can manipulate data to substantiate all kinds of different claims if you frame it the right way.

[MVChiefFan]

I’m a Distribution Manager for a fairly large company. Our business has exploded since everything started opening back up. I need probably 15 to 20 new hires... and it’s a disaster.

I get tons of applicants. I’ve set up 43 actual interviews within the last four weeks. SEVEN people have shown up. I’m talking SEVEN of the 43 that scheduled interviews have walked through the door.

You always have a handful of no-shows, but I’ve never seen anything like this.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by TLO

And apparently the reporting of deaths lags even longer than that in some cases? What about case counts? How delayed are they?

There's so much "information" and "misinformation" floating around it seems impossible to know what's truly happening.

From a real epidemiologist.

Lead time bias tells us that we can expect to see a longer delay between detection & death because we are detecting people earlier in the disease process. This does not mean people are surviving longer! That’s the sneaky lead time bias talking!! pic.twitter.com/7S6NTFDTUf

— EpiEllie & Dr Theresa Chapple #ShareTheMicNowPH (@EpiEllie) July 7, 2020