***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

There's a reoccurring "meme" about this very subject I see on social media.

Guessing you haven't seen it so I'll summarize: no, people in fact, do not want to 'work' as you're framing it here.

No, I haven't seen the meme, nor do I put any stock into said meme.

I don't know of a single person that's not working that wants to continue to be unemployed, whether it's people that work in film & TV productions to hairdressers and barbers to "non-essential" construction workers and contractors, etc. and so on.

This is just another lame attempt to claim that people in this country, especially lower wage earners, are lazy.

I call bullshit.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, I haven't seen the meme, nor do I put any stock into said meme.

I don't know of a single person that's not working that wants to continue to be unemployed, whether it's people that work in film & TV productions to hairdressers and barbers to "non-essential" construction workers and contractors, etc. and so on.

This is just another lame attempt to claim that people in this country, especially lower wage earners, are lazy.

I call bullshit.

I think it's somewhere in the middle but when the fed UE goes away everyone then will want their jobs back for sure.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, I haven't seen the meme, nor do I put any stock into said meme.

I don't know of a single person that's not working that wants to continue to be unemployed, whether it's people that work in film & TV productions to hairdressers and barbers to "non-essential" construction workers and contractors, etc. and so on.

This is just another lame attempt to claim that people in this country, especially lower wage earners, are lazy.

I call bullshit.

I actually know some people that are not wanting to go back to work because they are making more on UE right now. Most of them are in the restaurant business. One of the few actually went back just because she was tired of being at home but the others are riding it out as long as they can.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, I haven't seen the meme, nor do I put any stock into said meme.

I don't know of a single person that's not working that wants to continue to be unemployed, whether it's people that work in film & TV productions to hairdressers and barbers to "non-essential" construction workers and contractors, etc. and so on.

This is just another lame attempt to claim that people in this country, especially lower wage earners, are lazy.

I call bullshit.

1) The people I see propagating the meme aren't exactly in the top 50% earnings bracket.

2) Again, you're thinking the meme itself is about the, for lack of a better term, validity of accepting unemployment due to health risk against being employed because they'd rather not accept unemployment in any circumstance.

The meme is about the validity of employment itself.

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Unemployment was below 4% before C-19, so there's absolutely no reason to believe or think that people don't want to work.

Your "ideas" are bunk.

I don’t know what we’re arguing. As I said originally extend unemployment benefits while simultaneously incentivizing below a certain wage threshold essential workers.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I actually know some people that are not wanting to go back to work because they are making more on UE right now. Most of them are in the restaurant business. One of the few actually went back just because she was tired of being at home but the others are riding it out as long as they can.

$2/hr. 1/2 clientele. Risk of getting shut down again and refiling (and waiting, and waiting). All for a shot at getting sick and dying. No thanks.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Most of them are in the restaurant business. One of the few actually went back just because she was tired of being at home but the others are riding it out as long as they can.

Originally Posted by eDave

$2/hr. 1/2 clientele. Risk of getting shut down again and refiling (and waiting, and waiting). All for a shot at getting sick and dying. No thanks.

^^^^^^

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by alnorth

32% of all households in the US did not make their mortgage or rent payment on time for July. They really aren't going to have any choice but to extend unemployment and/or moratoriums on evictions.

Unfortunately they do have a choice.

I hope it doesn't come to it, but I won't be shocked if the homeless and literally living on the street population explodes over the next year.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Gee. If only we had time to expand health care capacity in densely populated areas.

Gee. If only we could have taken a more European approach. We could be cautiously reopening without the need to expand health care in densely populated areas.

[TLO]

Looks like we're hitting the over on Worldomoters again today.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Gee. If only we could have taken a more European approach. We could be cautiously reopening without the need to expand health care in densely populated areas.

I hope Europe continues doing well, but if we're nowhere near heard immunity, they're eventually going to see a spike in cases as well I think. (At least in some areas)

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TLO

I hope Europe continues doing well, but if we're nowhere near heard immunity, they're eventually going to see a spike in cases as well I think. (At least in some areas)

We've gotta hope HI is closer to 20% and NY and Italy and places hit hard just had big overshoot.

[Kiimo]

A friend of mine quarantined since April 1st. She went to a crossfit gym last week, thinking she earned it.

She just got a positive test back yesterday. She hasn't been able to smell for a week.

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

A friend of mine quarantined since April 1st. She went to a crossfit gym last week, thinking she earned it.

She just got a positive test back yesterday. She hasn't been able to smell for a week.

Well now she can tolerate your stinky ass. Lol

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by eDave

$2/hr. 1/2 clientele. Risk of getting shut down again and refiling (and waiting, and waiting). All for a shot at getting sick and dying. No thanks.

Don't think anyone would disagree, but that person shouldn't be making more staying at home than someone who IS working in a similar role.


Hell 007 got hit with a 10% PAY CUT and he's on the front line in the health care industry. Talk about bullshit...there it is.