***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

This is ridiculous. You expect every single person to get their own article? Plenty of articles mention more than one person. You're making up a nonsensical standard.

https://www.healthrising.org/blog/20...igue-syndrome/



https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...d-symptoms-who





So there's 1,622 right there that they rounded up just for a survey. Doesn't sound vanishingly small.

Feel free to go out there and be the guinea pig for how common this really is. I'll wait for more data to come in.

.06% of just face value cases.
.006% of presumed cases.

[Eleazar]

Why are you people encouraging Bizarro Pete?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by loochy

If it's happening near you then take appropriate precautions. If it's still just a thunderstorm then take a chill pill and don't be scared. Just pay attention.

I'm not anti distancing or anti mask.

I'm anti fear.

So quit trying to pin me to a particular side of your political argument.

It's more than obvious over the last few weeks there has been a search for a new boogie man. Of course there are people who have suffered some lasting damage. We know that. I don't think anyone is denying that. But I agree that we can't turn every single case into every case.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

Why are you people encouraging Bizarro Pete?

Says Mr. Ethical Skeptic.....

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Penis.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by loochy

Who said anything about being a guinea pig. I was just talking about quit being so scared of things that are beyond your control. Just pay attention to what you are doing that that's the best you can do.

Well there's levels of risk vs. reward (going to the gym, sitting at an outdoor restaurant, flying, etc). I like to have a handle on the risks to make that evaluation.

If it was just 1 in 500 chance of dying (51, overweight, otherwise healthy), and otherwise you recover fully - I'd practically be out there trying to catch covid and get it over with, so I could go on with my life. If I die, I die. At least I don't have to live with my mistake for that long.

But if the risk is one in 50 or one in 100 of permanent damage described in some of these articles, where you can barely get out of bed and have to rest halfway to the kitchen - and you don't know if it's going to last months, years, or forever - I'd wish I was dead. But you can't just kill yourself because that's not cool and maybe you'll recover some day. For me that feels worse than death.

And the whole time I'm kicking myself - "Why didn't I just buy some weights, did I really have to go to the damn gym?" etc. (I did spend money on weights for precisely this reason btw. So there are practical applications of this.)

That's my personal risk/reward analysis. Your mileage may vary.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

Why are you people encouraging Bizarro Pete?

If everyone had Pete on ignore, this thread could be 5000% better.

[Ninerfan11]

1 death in Arizona yesterday...SHUT IT DOWNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by loochy

If it's happening near you then take appropriate precautions. If it's still just a thunderstorm then take a chill pill and don't be scared. Just pay attention.

I'm not anti distancing or anti mask.

I'm anti fear.

So quit trying to pin me to a particular side of your political argument.

Sometimes a little fear can help people make the right decision when it comes to their own health or in this case the health of others.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Ninerfan11

1 death in Arizona yesterday...SHUT IT DOWNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Think your thoughts through before you put them into words and embarrass yourself further.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...ostcount=37860

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...ostcount=37857

You are doing a disservice to the thread and your intent is unwelcome here.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Why would you need to take shelter the odds of dying to a tornado or lighting strike are pretty low?

I don't. I go outside with my phone and take pics and video.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

It's more than obvious over the last few weeks there has been a search for a new boogie man. Of course there are people who have suffered some lasting damage. We know that. I don't think anyone is denying that. But I agree that we can't turn every single case into every case.

We still don’t know full extent of long lasting effects, reduced life expectancy etc. It might be years before we do is there probably more cases out there that haven’t made the news probably, not everyone likes sharing their life’s story. Is it going to cause long lasting issues in everyone not likely either , influenza can cause long lasting issues but this seems to be doing it at higher frequency and in multiple organ systems not just the lungs . I am far from being a germaphobe I am not anal about washing fruits and vegetables or worry at work about doing patients with varying contagious diseases . But from what I am seeing and hearing I would still be more comfortable avoiding this thing right now .

This is not based on fear it is based on info.

[Fish]

This is some authoritarian bullshit...

[petegz28]

Here is a piece of good news: the rate of new hospitalizations in JoCo is at its lowest point since this started as of 7/3.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Monticore

We still don’t know full extent of long lasting effects, reduced life expectancy etc. It might be years before we do is there probably more cases out there that haven’t made the news probably, not everyone likes sharing their life’s story. Is it going to cause long lasting issues in everyone not likely either , influenza can cause long lasting issues but this seems to be doing it at higher frequency and in multiple organ systems not just the lungs . I am far from being a germaphobe I am not anal about washing fruits and vegetables or worry at work about doing patients with varying contagious diseases . But from what I am seeing and hearing I would still be more comfortable avoiding this thing right now .

This is not based on fear it is based on info.

Could the " increase in long term effects" not just be a function of your consumption of media?

Its not like the media reports these from flu that often...