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07-01-2020, 11:51 AM | #37276 | |
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07-01-2020, 11:51 AM | #37277 |
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Missed the June 26th, which had 11 deaths.
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07-01-2020, 11:52 AM | #37278 | |
Sometimes it's black and white
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But that aside, would mask wearing be an issue if Trump hadn't made it an issue? If a president Romney was wearing a mask on TV would it have mattered what Fauci said back in March? |
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07-01-2020, 12:09 PM | #37279 |
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Given common respiratory viruses are perpetuated by droplet spread then why didn't the CDC recommend cloth or otherwise improvised masks for those who absolutely couldn't avoid staying home or being distanced?
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07-01-2020, 12:40 PM | #37280 |
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This virus is more complicated than previously known respiratory viruses and as seen in this thread masks are a very complicated issue as well. When you Really want to emphasize social distancing tell some people that masks make it safe to go out might be counter productive .
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07-01-2020, 01:23 PM | #37281 | |
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It's quite simple: if there's a benefit to wider public health by wearing an improvised, non-medical grade PPE mask through limiting droplet spread now then there certainly was one four to five months ago because it is known that typical influenza and cold viruses are commonly transmitted through droplet spread. Even if it were not the case that SARSCov2 is inhibited by such improvised measures then there still is the wider benefit of cutting down the spread of non-novel respiratory viruses which in turn cuts down on health care usage. That's the case in which they were wrong and a cloth mask doesn't do shit against SARSCov2. If they were right, then C-19 proliferates at a much slower rate and potentially negates or curtails the length of major lockdowns across the country. In either circumstance, the CDC gets an out once further information on SARSCov2 comes to light and can say "Look, we weren't sure improvised masks would work for instances when people could not avoid 'social distancing', but at the time it was the best we could recommend since we needed to preserve PPE for health care providers." But instead, their best course of action was to lie and say "nah just proceed as normal" in order to prevent runs on medical grade PPE by the general public when there was a potential alternative in recommending physical distancing in concert with improvised masking to those who couldn't otherwise avoid to stay in household isolation. |
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07-01-2020, 01:45 PM | #37282 |
Sometimes it's black and white
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And do you think what Fauci said back in March is that much more important than the example that Trump is setting?
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07-01-2020, 01:48 PM | #37283 |
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Or alternately, if back in March he had said wearing a home made cloth mask might help reduce the spread a bit, but we really don't know yet...
Would the number people wearing masks today be significantly different ??? |
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07-01-2020, 01:48 PM | #37284 |
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07-01-2020, 01:53 PM | #37285 |
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If asking whether Fauci or Trump has a bigger impact on people's mask wearing is too political for this thread, then I will instead ask:
Is Fauci's comment in March really the reason mask wearing has dropped to zero in some places? |
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07-01-2020, 02:54 PM | #37286 |
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It probably didn't help. Beyond that, not much to discuss here.
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07-01-2020, 03:22 PM | #37287 |
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This is pretty impressive work. I'd encourage everyone to check it out.
Goldman Sachs has done the math and a national mask mandate to halt the spread of coronavirus would have a big impact on the U.S. economy https://www.marketwatch.com/story/we...51PQsiUhe98Rqg |
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07-01-2020, 03:27 PM | #37288 | |
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If you're already wearing a mask, you're a sheep and it's too late. |
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07-01-2020, 03:28 PM | #37289 |
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07-01-2020, 03:31 PM | #37290 | |
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I hate the fact that all objective reasoning is gone in this country because people pick a ****ing side and ride or die. |
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