***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

[Jerm]

Positive case in Clinton...time to go in full lockdown mode...

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by ping2000

Amen.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

The soap stuff is simple and intuitive, but does anyone know if there is any additional research or data regarding the efficacy of different types of soaps?
For instance, Dawn is fairly superior in lipid breakdown [Dawn cuts grease!!], particularly compared to a mild beauty soap like Dove. Or some of your more 'basic' soaps like Ivory [99.44% pure] have a strong lye component, which might be superior in eradicating the live virus.

Or is the CW just that any level of emulsification and sudsing carryaway is sufficient? Even like say 'beauty bars' that are like 1/2 cocoa butter?

Soap is soap. The mechanical action of rubbing your hands with soap and rinsing with water will give you an additional log kill beyond spraying with disinfectant.

The important thing is to also clean all surfaces of your fingers. Wash each one individually-top, bottom, and sides. It will look like you're jacking off your finger, but it is the most effective method.

Also, when you rinse, angle your hands up so that the water runs down your fingers and off your wrists.

[ping2000]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Soap is soap. The mechanical action of rubbing your hands with soap and rinsing with water will give you an additional log kill beyond spraying with disinfectant.



The important thing is to also clean all surfaces of your fingers. Wash each one individually-top, bottom, and sides. It will look like you're jacking off your finger, but it is the most effective method.



Also, when you rinse, angle your hands up so that the water runs down your fingers and off your wrists.

Watch old episodes of Dr. Kildare or Ben Casey when they are scrubbing prior to surgery.

[F150]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

That is from last year

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Frazod

I don't know the specifics, and this happened about 10 years ago. I obviously wasn't there and never personally spoke to any of the quacks that treated her. All I know is that she was misdiagnosed and suffered terribly for a long period of time because of it. They were so fixated on the wrong thing that everything else was ignored.

Misdiagnosis isn’t always related to incompetence, hard to make a judgement without knowing all the info.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Soap is soap. The mechanical action of rubbing your hands with soap and rinsing with water will give you an additional log kill beyond spraying with disinfectant.

The important thing is to also clean all surfaces of your fingers. Wash each one individually-top, bottom, and sides. It will look like you're jacking off your finger, but it is the most effective method.

Also, when you rinse, angle your hands up so that the water runs down your fingers and off your wrists.

I get that if you are thorough and meticulous with most soaps, you're going to be effective, but the point is 'soap' isn't 'soap.'

Tackle a pan with baked grease with Dawn, and try the same thing with dollar store dish soap. There are differences in the concentration and strength of emulsifiers. Or if you want a stark comparison, check something like SuperClean degreaser.

And I'm not comparing handwashing with soap with disinfecting with Purell and leaving it on your hands. I'm talking about if there are any actual comparative studies of the relative efficacy of various strengths and concentrations of emulsifiers in the various soaps.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Misdiagnosis isn’t always related to incompetence, hard to make a judgement without knowing all the info.

Not to mention that your appendix is part of your colon.

[Fish]

And so... new marketing opportunities...

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I get that if you are thorough and meticulous with most soaps, you're going to be effective, but the point is 'soap' isn't 'soap.'

Tackle a pan with baked grease with Dawn, and try the same thing with dollar store dish soap. There are differences in the concentration and strength of emulsifiers. Or if you want a stark comparison, check something like SuperClean degreaser.

And I'm not comparing handwashing with soap with disinfecting with Purell and leaving it on your hands. I'm talking about if there are any actual comparative studies of the relative efficacy of various strengths and concentrations of emulsifiers in the various soaps.

I'm not sure. I do know that the FDA enacted significant regulations for marking soap antibacterial, because soap is antibacterial by nature

[SupDock]

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by SupDock

I have my doubts that her appendix was ruptured for a month. Also, I am imagining at some point your cousins received imaging?

Also, if someone recommended a colectomy, she was probably evaluated by a surgeon as well?

Couldn't she have had appendicitis and then it ruptured, leading to the final ER visit?

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

Couldn't she have had appendicitis and then it ruptured, leading to the final ER visit?

This absolutely could be the case, although a couple months is a long duration. It also depends on the location of her abdominal pain and other clinical findings.
Appendicitis is an infection as well, so there would likely be associated fevers, etc

[mr. tegu]

So wouldn’t one of these for each person solve everything? You can’t touch your face. You can’t breathe the air. You can’t cough or sneeze on others.