***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah, starting off with a closed mind is always a helpful tactic....

Does having a closed mind affect clinical trials?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Does having a closed mind effect clinical trials?

All I know is it's a great thing to call BS on something before you even know what is.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah, starting off with a closed mind is always a helpful tactic....

Again, this is literally how science works. For every scientist. Everywhere. For centuries.

Taking every study at surface value is a good way of getting sucked into a bunch of bullshit. Which I suppose is accurate for some...

[Fish]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah, starting off with a closed mind is always a helpful tactic....

Good grief, pete. Yes, that's exactly how the damn scientific method works.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

All I know is it's a great thing to call BS on something before you even know what is.

Aww geee shucks, he was just saying, guys.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Fish

Good grief, pete. Yes, that's exactly how the damn scientific method works.

When someone presents a study to you calling BS before you've read it is BS in and of itself.

What the **** ever.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Aww geee shucks, he was just saying, guys.

Says the guy who spouted off before even reading anything...case in point.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Again, this is literally how science works. For every scientist. Everywhere. For centuries.

Taking every study at surface value is a good way of getting sucked into a bunch of bullshit. Which I suppose is accurate for some...

Dismissing a study before you read it is just ignorant.

[lewdog]

Pete insisting things are true unless proven false.



He’s so backwards.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Says the guy who spouted off before even reading anything...case in point.

Lmao. I didn't spout off, you misread my comment.

Your post wasn't the first time I have heard about statins and dexamethasone being useful for Covid-19

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Pete insisting things are true unless proven false.



He’s so backwards.

Yea, that's exactly what I said.....you got me, lew

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Lmao. I didn't spout off, you misread my comment.

Your post wasn't the first time I have heard about statins and dexamethasone being useful for Covid-19

Riiiiigggghhhhtttttt.....

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by petegz28

All I know is it's a great thing to call BS on something before you even know what is.

The goal of science is not to prove any position, but to collect evidence and draw conclusions based on whatever the data says... as more data is gathered and as the data changes, the conclusions change and evolve.

So, to say the first study is bullshit isn't closed minded or dismissive in the sense of "ermergerd, this totally goes against what I believe and it's not factual at all!!!" or "this doesn't matter at all in my black and white world!!"... because that's not the point of science or how science works.

Saying something that's very early in the process is bullshit is to say.... well, it's very early in the process, so take the conclusions with a grain of salt. More data will be gathered and the conclusions will be more meaningful with larger sample sizes, different sets of eyes, etc.


tl;dr: If you test 10 people in your town for Covid and 8 are positive, you aren't going to completely dismiss it and say it's 100% useless (after all, Covid is clearly in your town), but you're also not going to freak out that 80% of a sample size of 10 tested positive.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Riiiiigggghhhhtttttt.....

I hear about this stuff all day long.

[Mecca]

The WWE now has multiple positive tests......so far it appears their action is going to be to act like it doesn't exist.