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Old 05-26-2023, 11:03 AM  
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Cardinals Release WR DeAndre Hopkins [Titans, 2yr/$26 million]
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Old 05-26-2023, 02:27 PM   #346
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It's like 21 million.

They are intentionally eating it now because they are creating the room to dump Kyler Murray next year.
Seems like a significant part of the puzzle here.

If he's collecting that from the Cards, he may not care nearly as much about what he's taxing his next team. That money is coming in regardless.
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Old 05-26-2023, 02:27 PM   #347
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Kelce and DHop are two of the best chain movers to ever play the game. Our 3rd down conversion % would be downright absurd.

Toney's celing is ridiculously high. I dont think ppl understand how good he can be.

MVS and Mahomes are sure to have better chemistry this year and hit on more of those downfield throws.

I think that offense could shatter records.
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Old 05-26-2023, 02:27 PM   #348
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Cap dudes, so how much are the Cardinals gonna be paying him to not be on their team?
$21,077,776.
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Old 05-26-2023, 02:29 PM   #349
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$21,077,776.
Like i said, i think this really helps the Chiefs' odds.

This fact may make money even less of an issue for Dhop regarding his new team.
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Old 05-26-2023, 02:30 PM   #350
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It's like 21 million.

They are intentionally eating it now because they are creating the room to dump Kyler Murray next year.


Hell, ARI might be in full tank mode. Try to get Caleb in 2024? Weird though.
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Old 05-26-2023, 02:32 PM   #351
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Jesus Christ.

WE'RE NOT TRADING MVS.
As the Chiefs roster is right now, I would completely agree but -

Adding DeAndre Hopkins would increase the rostered WRs on the team. Who and where do you cut?

Adding DeAndre Hopkins is going to reduce the playing time for other WRs including MVS.

Where can you get the most Cap space by a trade from the WRs? According to overthecap.com, the Chiefs could get a $9M cap saving by trading MVS post June 1. I really don't know if a team would trade for MVS though and pay the $9M for the season.

I like MVS and think he adds value to the Chiefs.

I would love to add DeAndre Hopkins to the Chiefs WR group.

I really don't think that the Chiefs will trade MVS, but if they should sign Hopkins and younger WRs develop, it might be possible.
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Old 05-26-2023, 02:33 PM   #352
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I am trying to add a reason why Veach wouldn't. I don't know much about Hopkins. Is he a dick/cancer? That would be "A" reason.

Sure he puts up good numbers, but that 6 game suspension for performance enhancing drugs would be a red flag for me.

Also, the Cardinals willing to take a $22.6 million dead cap hit is also unnerving.
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As the Chiefs roster is right now, I would completely agree but -

Adding DeAndre Hopkins would increase the rostered WRs on the team. Who and where do you cut?

Adding DeAndre Hopkins is going to reduce the playing time for other WRs including MVS.

Where can you get the most Cap space by a trade from the WRs? According to overthecap.com, the Chiefs could get a $9M cap saving by trading MVS post June 1. I really don't know if a team would trade for MVS though and pay the $9M for the season.

I like MVS and think he adds value to the Chiefs.

I would love to add DeAndre Hopkins to the Chiefs WR group.

I really don't think that the Chiefs will trade MVS, but if they should sign Hopkins and younger WRs develop, it might be possible.
Adding Hopkins does nothing but help clear up the bottom of the WR group. MVS has a specific spot in this offense as the deep threat. Trading him away opens that spot up and now who is taking it? Hopkins isn't that guy. Neither is Rice or Moore. Toney possibly could but you don't want to ask him to do that.

Before Hopkins: Toney, MVS, Moore, Rice, James and Watson.

After Hopkins: Hopkins, Toney, MVS, Moore, Rice and James.
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Old 05-26-2023, 02:38 PM   #354
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He'll be 31 at the start of the season. We have next to nothing in the piggy bank. Even if he came here on the cheap chasing a ring or trying for a long-term contract, how much would he be worth NEXT year and the following years? We also have 12 WRs on the roster today. Just for grins, let's see what those guys have to offer.

In short, thanks but no thanks.
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He'll be 31 at the start of the season. We have next to nothing in the piggy bank. Even if he came here on the cheap chasing a ring or trying for a long-term contract, how much would he be worth NEXT year and the following years? We also have 12 WRs on the roster today. Just for grins, let's see what those guys have to offer.

In short, thanks but no thanks.
Kelce is 34. According to your logic, we should've sent the greatest TE in history to the glue factory three years ago.
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Old 05-26-2023, 02:42 PM   #356
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It's like 21 million.

They are intentionally eating it now because they are creating the room to dump Kyler Murray next year.
Well then damn, they should have taken a fourth or even a third next year from us for Hop if they were going to fully eat the contract. I understand them not wanting to and trying to hold out for a better way, but it would have given them more draft capital especially if they were planning on tanking the entire time anyway.
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Seems like a significant part of the puzzle here.

If he's collecting that from the Cards, he may not care nearly as much about what he's taxing his next team. That money is coming in regardless.
To add to this during his career Hopkins has made 111 million dollars without including any endorsements.
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He'll be 31 at the start of the season. We have next to nothing in the piggy bank. Even if he came here on the cheap chasing a ring or trying for a long-term contract, how much would he be worth NEXT year and the following years? We also have 12 WRs on the roster today. Just for grins, let's see what those guys have to offer.

In short, thanks but no thanks.
Sure...name all 12 without looking them up. You act like a 31 year old DHOP couldn't come in and help this offense. He most certainly can.
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Sign him to 2 real years and a void year for a third year and let’s max out the offense while we are still in the “Kelce prime window”
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