***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

They knew Monday that it was possible. They slowed down admissions Thursday.
They told some employees Wednesday.

Fair enough, but I would imagine there are protocols involved with who gets notified, etc.

Why would they slow down admissions vs stop them?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by SupDock

There is certainly a good possibility the hospital has not known for long. I personally knew a lot of people at GVMH, and they were all great people who cared a lot for the community. Most lived in the community

I bet they had a good idea when they transferred that patient out last week. At the minimum they could have said we have a presumed case and out of abundance of caution we are going to limit access unless you need it and we are taking some extra precautions. But they sat on it and went on as business as usual and then made a Facebook post yesterday morning that nobody apparently saw.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Fair enough, but I would imagine there are protocols involved with who gets notified, etc.

Why would they slow down admissions vs stop them?

Because everyone in that hospital are ****ing idiots.

We haven’t gone there in years, they threw out samples that were ordered cultured no less than 3 times and we were done without them. They ****ing suck.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Well I would think that is the best way to get out in front of this.

Their first patient was sunday, now a week later they aren’t taking patients for some reason, if all was well DONT you think they would? But they aren’t notifying people who were there in between those dates. Why?

That guy was just in no less than 5 stores 60 miles from there today.

That’s how this shit gets spread to everyone

Are you suggesting quarantine everyone who stepped into the hospital?

The POTUS apparently didn't meet testing or quarantine criteria, and we all heard about his contacts.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I bet they had a good idea when they transferred that patient out last week. At the minimum they could have said we have a presumed case and out of abundance of caution we are going to limit access unless you need it and we are taking some extra precautions. But they sat on it and went on as business as usual and then made a Facebook post yesterday morning that nobody apparently saw.

They knew, they told the surgery group Wednesday morning about it but said they thought there shouldn’t be cross group contamination ( directly from someone in their surgery dept) but now today are telling them they are basically shut down.


They dropped the ball here and who knows how many more cases come up over it

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Because everyone in that hospital are ****ing idiots.

We haven’t gone there in years, they threw out samples that were ordered cultured no less than 3 times and we were done without them. They ****ing suck.

Clearly this is an emotional topic for you, and I'm sorry for your experiences. My experiences were different.

I cannot speak to exactly what people were told who worked there. I just have difficulty believing they would knowingly mislead the public or put them at risk.

[Donger]

So, the CDC doesn't give new counts on the weekends? Is that a joke?

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

If people knew 100% of the current information people would be robbing, looting and other worse things.

Do you know something the rest of us don't? Or are you just speculating?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Are you suggesting quarantine everyone who stepped into the hospital?

The POTUS apparently didn't meet testing or quarantine criteria, and we all heard about his contacts.

I’m suggesting they at least ****ING TELL them all about the possibility. I mean doesn’t that sound reasonable?

Not notifying everyone seems like they aren’t very worried about it spreading while people who could have been in contract are out there going everywhere with no idea.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Do you know something the rest of us don't? Or are you just speculating?

I am also wondering

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

They knew, they told the surgery group Wednesday morning about it but said they thought there shouldn’t be cross group contamination ( directly from someone in their surgery dept) but now today are telling them they are basically shut down.


They dropped the ball here and who knows how many more cases come up over it

Seriously? Where did you hear that from?

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

They knew, they told the surgery group Wednesday morning about it but said they thought there shouldn’t be cross group contamination ( directly from someone in their surgery dept) but now today are telling them they are basically shut down.





They dropped the ball here and who knows how many more cases come up over it

All hospitals are urged to be enacting emergency protocols as of yesterday’s state of emergency. Part of that is limiting new patients and elective surgeries to keep space available. That message from them is likely not unique at all and doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with having that patient.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Clearly this is an emotional topic for you, and I'm sorry for your experiences. My experiences were different.

I cannot speak to exactly what people were told who worked there. I just have difficulty believing they would knowingly mislead the public or put them at risk.

Well they call it Death Valley hospital instead of golden valley around here. I’m definitely not the only one that has had terrible experiences there.


And yes I’m emotional about this, I have a disabled daughter that has had major respiratory and heart issues in the part couple of years .

My friend would have never came around if he had known there was any chance of him being exposed. But they didn’t tell him.

Hell they made him another appt yesterday so he could come back into it.
They are idiots

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

All hospitals are urged to be enacting emergency protocols as of yesterday’s state of emergency. Part of that is limiting new patients and elective surgeries to keep space available. That message from them is likely not unique at all and doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with having that patient.

3 patients I’ve heard

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Seriously? Where did you hear that from?

From someone who could get in trouble for telling me...