***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by O.city

The numbers have dropped too quickly for that to be the case though it seems to me. There's gotta be something going in where there's some built in immunity.

Cases are up both in raw numbers and percent positive cases in many areas (14 states had their highest levels last week). Areas like Texas and Arizona are at their highest levels of hospitalization yet. The decline of the epidemic in NY/NJ has blurred the increased caseload, especially in the South.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Cases are up both in raw numbers and percent positive cases in many areas (14 states had their highest levels last week). Areas like Texas and Arizona are at their highest levels of hospitalization yet. The decline of the epidemic in NY/NJ has blurred the increased caseload, especially in the South.

Yeah, that's for sure. It's almost like we shouldn't have locked down everywhere at the same time and started the clock on the lockdowns that early.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It became summer where respiratory infections are less...it hasn't like completely vanished though.

It's not going to completely vanish. That was never going to happen.

[Mecca]

And yes it is rising some places, hell just the other day Missouri had it's highest number in over a month.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Cases are up both in raw numbers and percent positive cases in many areas (14 states had their highest levels last week). Areas like Texas and Arizona are at their highest levels of hospitalization yet. The decline of the epidemic in NY/NJ has blurred the increased caseload, especially in the South.

Well there has been increases testing too correct?

[Mecca]

Testing really has little to do with Arizona having a huge hospital increase.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Well there has been increases testing too correct?

New cases identified by more testing is a different issue than increased/max COVID hospitalizations. One matters way more than the other. I told you this a few days ago. Stop focusing solely on new case numbers, especially in AZ where it took them months to roll out proper testing in large quantities.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by lewdog

New cases identified by more testing is a different issue than increased/max COVID hospitalizations. One matters way more than the other. I told you this a few days ago. Stop focusing solely on new case numbers, especially in AZ where it took them months to roll out proper testing in large quantities.

Well good thing we flattened the curve HA beat you COVID!

[O.city]

Originally Posted by lewdog

New cases identified by more testing is a different issue than increased/max COVID hospitalizations. One matters way more than the other. I told you this a few days ago. Stop focusing solely on new case numbers, especially in AZ where it took them months to roll out proper testing in large quantities.

Yeah, seems hospitalizations and such is more things to watch.

This is where I think we ****ed up. We built all these excess beds and areas and such, didn't use them cause we locked down and the wave didn't hit the same time everywhere it did in NY. So now we moved past it and it's gonna crest.

Just not smart planning.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by lewdog

New cases identified by more testing is a different issue than increased/max COVID hospitalizations. One matters way more than the other. I told you this a few days ago. Stop focusing solely on new case numbers, especially in AZ where it took them months to roll out proper testing in large quantities.

Sorry Lew this discussion isn't confined to AZ and whats happening there doesn't necessary reflect the rest of the country. I understand the significance of increased hospitalization in AZ.

We have seen a spike in cases locally as well but we are testing more and haven't seen hardly any increase in hospitalization so far.

[O.city]

The damn WHO just continues to **** things up with their messaging.

True asymptomatic spread is likely very rare. But true asymptomatic pts is not the same as presymptomatic.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Well good thing we flattened the curve HA beat you COVID!

AZ has done little correctly in stopping a spike.

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Sorry Lew this discussion isn't confined to AZ and whats happening there doesn't necessary reflect the rest of the country. I understand the significance of increased hospitalization in AZ.

We have seen a spike in cases locally as well but we are testing more and haven't seen hardly any increase in hospitalization so far.

I understand. As I’ve stated, states should be reviewing numbers. Some states are fine opening, others are not. Seems politicians aren’t using data though and just winging their stances based on politics. AZ has no business with the current numbers not instructing stricter guidelines but here we sit, open as can be. I’d guess about 10% of people wearing masks when I went to Lowe’s, Home Depot and the grocery store this weekend.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by lewdog

AZ has done little correctly in stopping a spike.



I understand. As I’ve stated, states should be reviewing numbers. Some states are fine opening, others are not. Seems politicians aren’t using data though and just winging their stances based on politics. AZ has no business with the current numbers not instructing stricter guidelines but here we sit, open as can be. I’d guess about 10% of people wearing masks when I went to Lowe’s, Home Depot and the grocery store this weekend.

It would have been nice if states had followed the re-opening guidelines. Oh well. Now we know what people can tolerate, and what they won't.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Nobody knows what's going on.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Nobody knows what's going on.

What do you mean?