Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)

[TLO]

Well Chiefs vs Packers is what I had hoped for, but that's not happening.

Let's talk about Chiefs vs 49ers here.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by A8bil

Maybe, but JG faced that same pressure in the Saints game. He rose to the occasion.

Yeah against a defense that allowed Cousins to throw the ball over them. We’re not the same defense.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by A8bil

You can't seriously believe that statement...nah, adding four pro bowl caliber players to a defense wont make a difference. Got it.

It doesn’t matter if the same player is told to rush up field.

Andy and Shannahan are going to kill the DE’s and LB’s in this game. Those guys for both teams are going to be so confused by elite play designs and pre-snap eye candy.

Jet sweep, fake jet sweep, RPO, option, fake RPO pitch, delayed draw, delayed pitch, wildcat, bootleg, etc.

There’s going to be so much going on that the DE’s for both teams will have no idea where the hell the ball is or where it’s going. It will be even worse if/when both teams go hurry up in a 2 minute offense.

We saw McVay do this all day to you and your defense could not stop it. Andy did it too.

It’s going to happen

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by A8bil

Was listening to Lorenzo Neal this week on local radio. He said both offenses should and likely will come out targeting the other team's best pass rusher. He said to expect KC to have a few crack back blocks early on Ford, and for the 49ers to crack back on Clark. He said it was a common tactic (often his assignment at FB) to get the player concerned and thinking about something other than getting to the QB. Will be interesting to see if either or both teams employ that tactic.

If KC is trying to do that, I’d expect Bosa to be the guy KC targets, since he’s actually on the field every down and is the better player.

I can’t imagine the KC coaching staff fearing Ford any more than we do. They saw him get stonewalled by the Patriots pretty average tackles in the AFC title game, too, and the Patriots really weren’t sending extra help to do it (I mean, unless you count leaving Hogan and Edelman responsible for blocking him in stretch and outside run plays as sending an extra man at him).

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

What's your number?

For the last few years, really since Smith's last season, I entered games by saying "if the Chiefs score X, they'll win..."

Now last season's god-awful defense ruined that kind of approach but I'd say it's a fair way to look at things again.

So what's your number? I think the 9ers O is just varied enough that they'll probably get a long TD in there, 3 sustained drives and make another drive off a STs error or turnover. So figure 5 scoring drives yielding 4 TDs and a FG.

So as I enter the game, I'm sitting here thinking "alright Pat - your job is to get us 34. Get there and we win it..."

What's your number?

38

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Yeah against a defense that allowed Cousins to throw the ball over them. We’re not the same defense.

clearly you're not, but it's still hard to really judge the KC defense for how good it really is. You played some really bad teams down the stretch (outside of the Patriots), which helped your stats across the board. KC's defense wasn't looking that statistically good as of week 10, whereas the 49ers played some very good teams down the stretch that brought their defensive stats down to earth. Still, the 49ers in the playoffs have been pretty stifling. KC's has done what they needed to do, but have not looked dominant in certain quarters.

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

If KC is trying to do that, I’d expect Bosa to be the guy KC targets, since he’s actually on the field every down and is the better player.

I can’t imagine the KC coaching staff fearing Ford any more than we do. They saw him get stonewalled by the Patriots pretty average tackles in the AFC title game, too, and the Patriots really weren’t sending extra help to do it (I mean, unless you count leaving Hogan and Edelman responsible for blocking him in stretch and outside run plays as sending an extra man at him).

SF uses Ford different than you guys did. Ford may only play 25-30 downs, so he'll be fresher and more impactful on the downs he plays. Bosa is the better player, but the 49ers stats show that the pass rush is its most effective when Ford is in the game. They are more pedestrian when Ford is not playing.

BTW, thank you for the good posts. You seem knowledgeable. I've enjoyed the discourse.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by A8bil

clearly you're not, but it's still hard to really judge the KC defense for how good it really is. You played some really bad teams down the stretch (outside of the Patriots), which helped your stats across the board. KC's defense wasn't looking that statistically good as of week 10, whereas the 49ers played some very good teams down the stretch that brought their defensive stats down to earth. Still, the 49ers in the playoffs have been pretty stifling. KC's has done what they needed to do, but have not looked dominant in certain quarters.

It doesn’t come down to just who you play. It was a completely new defensive scheme with a new defensive coordinator and mostly new players. That shit takes time to gel. Players and coaches will tell you that exact same thing. The Titans loss was the game that flipped the switch with this defense. Pennel and Suggs were added and the defense started playing differently. Plus Clark wasn’t anywhere close to 100% in the beginning of the season and we had a rookie FS learning as he was playing.

Are we the 85 Bears? No but this defense is good enough to get some stops and give the ball back to the offense. That’s all it takes to win games.

[tredadda]

I think people are overestimating the 49ers in some respects. Sure they are in the SB and they were the #1 seed in the NFC. But if you look at all of their games, they won many in the last seconds. If you were to split those wins in half they might not even make the playoffs much less be the #1 seed. They were literally inches from losing the second Seattle game and dropping from the #1 seed to the #5. They were not this juggernaut that obliterated everyone they played this year. I think the fact they are a mismatch for GB as well as the Packers own mistakes in the NFCCG makes the Niners look better than they are.

Barring the Chiefs playing like crud they should beat SF as they are the better team.

[rydogg58]

Originally Posted by A8bil

clearly you're not, but it's still hard to really judge the KC defense for how good it really is. You played some really bad teams down the stretch (outside of the Patriots), which helped your stats across the board. KC's defense wasn't looking that statistically good as of week 10, whereas the 49ers played some very good teams down the stretch that brought their defensive stats down to earth. Still, the 49ers in the playoffs have been pretty stifling. KC's has done what they needed to do, but have not looked dominant in certain quarters.

The only times they haven't looked dominant is typically the first quarter. But that's not surprising. Scripted plays, and usually after the first or second series we make adjustments that negate any momentum the offense had.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by RunKC

And to the 49ers credit, Rat Jr will absolutely get his on Spags. That’s inevitable. Rat Jr is the 2nd best offensive play designer in the league.

But he’s got a QB that has to be in the system. The absolute worst thing that could happen to the 49ers is their running game being taken away due to either A. The Chiefs limiting it or B. The Chiefs getting a lead.

If the Chiefs get a double-digit lead and force the 49ers to pass, this game will get ugly for the 49ers. The pressure to score TD’s every drive will be incredibly difficult.

Didn’t they say the same thing about McVay last year?

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

It doesn’t come down to just who you play. It was a completely new defensive scheme with a new defensive coordinator and mostly new players. That shit takes time to gel. Players and coaches will tell you that exact same thing. The Titans loss was the game that flipped the switch with this defense. Pennel and Suggs were added and the defense started playing differently. Plus Clark wasn’t anywhere close to 100% in the beginning of the season and we had a rookie FS learning as he was playing.

Are we the 85 Bears? No but this defense is good enough to get some stops and give the ball back to the offense. That’s all it takes to win games.

You make a good case. Why in your opinion did the Texans have early success against them?

[RunKC]

Your DE’s won’t matter on these plays 49er fan..no DE on earth is fast enough to stop this. QB either got rid of the ball quickly or only had it in his hands for barely over 2 seconds.









Even if you do get pressure on Pat, he can still beat you

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by A8bil

You make a good case. Why in your opinion did the Texans have early success against them?

1. A blown coverage
2. Blocked Punt for a TD
3. Muffed Punt which gave them the ball on the KC 6.

Right there is 21 of the 31 they scored. The last TD came when the Chiefs held a commanding lead and softened up on defense.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by A8bil

You make a good case. Why in your opinion did the Texans have early success against them?

First touchdown was a good call. Bill called a WR bubble screen earlier in the drive and the Chiefs got aggressive in the second one. Wide open TD pass.

Second TD wasn’t on the defense. Blocked punt for a TD.

Third TD started on the 5 yard line. Hard for the defense to stop that.

The FG was the defense finally holding that offense to 3. After those drives the defense clamped down and the Texans only had one TD in garbage time.

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by tredadda

I think people are overestimating the 49ers in some respects. Sure they are in the SB and they were the #1 seed in the NFC. But if you look at all of their games, they won many in the last seconds. If you were to split those wins in half they might not even make the playoffs much less be the #1 seed. They were literally inches from losing the second Seattle game and dropping from the #1 seed to the #5. They were not this juggernaut that obliterated everyone they played this year. I think the fact they are a mismatch for GB as well as the Packers own mistakes in the NFCCG makes the Niners look better than they are.

Barring the Chiefs playing like crud they should beat SF as they are the better team.

A lot of people miss the point you're making. 49er fans want to point to the fact that they were basically 7 points from a perfect season (late game score by ATL aside). But as you note, they almost lost a lot of games too. My sense is that Kyle S is still up in his head about that SB loss. When they get the lead now, he tends to just run the ball, but when his offense gets one dimensional, other teams are able to stop the run and get back into contention. He abandons what got him there, which is or should be a concern for all 49er fans.