***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

It has been a complete failure of leadership from the get go.

Well I mean not everywhere...... Mainly in select states with idiots in charge.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Well I mean not everywhere...... Mainly in select states with idiots in charge.

There have been many leadership failures starting at the federal level, WHO, all the way down to the state and local level. When you have 100k+ in deaths no one escapes blame.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

It was reeruned from the start, exactly how close do boats get in the water?

[Spott]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I saw an article (sorry, can't find a link) that said that air travel is up to about 20 percent of normal now, whereas it was at 5 percent of normal the previous month. And hotels doubled their occupancy rate this month too, though I think they said the occupancy is still only around 30 percent.

I just flew last weekend and the plane was completely full, although the airport was definitely much slower than normal. What seems odd is that TSA was literally searching everyone’s bags as if they were expecting some sort of terrorist attack. Even the precheck travelers were being forced to take their shoes off and take everything out of their bags. I’m guessing because they have slowed down they are going the extra mile and make sure that flyers aren’t trying to sneak too much toothpaste on the plane.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Spott

I just flew last weekend and the plane was completely full, although the airport was definitely much slower than normal. What seems odd is that TSA was literally searching everyone’s bags as if they were expecting some sort of terrorist attack. Even the precheck travelers were being forced to take their shoes off and take everything out of their bags. I’m guessing because they have slowed down they are going the extra mile and make sure that flyers aren’t trying to sneak too much toothpaste on the plane.

What's the point of TSA Pre then?

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

There have been many leadership failures starting at the federal level, WHO, all the way down to the state and local level. When you have 100k+ in deaths no one escapes blame.

Lets start with the CCP for BLAME...........after that we can figure out what worked well, what didnt and what was insanity and what was/is unconstitutional

[jdubya]

Wow....King Newsome is letting Ca open somewhat

https://patch.com/california/lamorin...campaign=alert

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Wow....King Newsome is letting Ca open somewhat

https://patch.com/california/lamorin...campaign=alert

im in Cali and we been opening for a few weeks. It all depends what county you live in.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Just so I understand your POV....

Your take is, no matter the geography or where the outbreaks are occurring, there should be standardized rules for masking up when out and about during C & F season?

So I'm generally against the governments ability to mandate most things except in times of wartime and disaster. Covid-19 is close enough to be considered a national disaster. I don't think it would be unreasonable for governments to mandate such things. I believe this decision is best left to the states to decide but if said war or disaster is significant enough federal government intervention is needed. My personal thoughts are different than what I believe a government should be able to do. I think it is completely ignorant for people to pack themselves into tight confines right now, but if a state's government thinks that is the best thing to do to allow it then so be it.

There is grey and nuance in much of this. Had this virus been as deadly as Ebola and as contagious as Covid-19 would you not agree the government should have the ability to mandate certain social distancing guidelines and masks? If no, then why are you okay with sending people to war against their will?

Wearing a mask is such an easy, cost effective and simple strategy that it does not cause undue hardships to anyone. In World War 2 and Vietnam they mandated certain citizens to go to war and that was perfectly acceptable. But requiring people to wear a mask is overstepping the boundaries?

Go back and look at the War Powers Act of 1941 for WW2 and see what things were implemented there. Compare that to now. We have it good my friends. What you are being asked to do is not unreasonable.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by kcxiv

im in Cali and we been opening for a few weeks. It all depends what county you live in.

Unfortunately, Los Angeles and San Fran remain under lockdown until August and Newsom still says no fans at sporting events until there's a vaccine.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Unfortunately, Los Angeles and San Fran remain under lockdown until August and Newsom still says no fans at sporting events until there's a vaccine.

So no change for the Chargers.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Lets start with the CCP for BLAME...........after that we can figure out what worked well, what didnt and what was insanity and what was/is unconstitutional

Absolutely China deserves #1 blame.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Unfortunately, Los Angeles and San Fran remain under lockdown until August and Newsom still says no fans at sporting events until there's a vaccine.

Assuming there is one....

[TLO]

Coming in at under 700 deaths on Worldomoters again today?

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Assuming there is one....

So Pete, what do you want to bet there will be a vaccine? (I'll keep trying to reinforce reasonable thought by offering wagers)