****Our Wide Receivers Suck- Official Thread****

[Sofa King]

They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.

[PHOG]

Originally Posted by Razaele

Here are the snap counts and % from yesterday's game, and in parentheses the % of snaps played in the previous game agains the Jets


MVS 43 snaps - 65.2% (58.6% against Jets)
Moore 37 - 56.1% (58.6%)
Watson 29 - 43.9% (61.4%)
Toney 25 - 37.9% (24.3%)
Rice 20 - 30.3% (45.7%)
Ross 6 - 9.1% (5.7%)

MVS=1 rec on 2 tgts
Moore=2 rec on 2 tgts
Watson=2 rec on 3 tgts
Toney=5 rec on 6 tgts
Rice=4 rec on 5 tgts
Ross=2 rec on 4 tgts

and then

Kelce=10 rec on 11 tgts
Gray=2 rec on 2 tgts
McKinnon=2 rec on 3 tgts
Pacheco=1 rec on 1 tgt

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/kansas-...s-20231008016/

[wachashi]

Mahomes targets Rice and Ross when they're in the game. It seems he avoids Moore. He'll throw to MVS in big moments.

Travis Kelce: 11
Kadarius Toney: 6
Rashee Rice: 5
Justyn Ross: 4
Justin Watson: 3
Jerick McKinnon: 3
Noah Gray: 2
Marquez Valdes-Scantling: 2
Skyy Moore: 2
Isiah Pacheco: 1

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I didn’t say we traded for Toney as an immediate replacement for Hardman. I didn’t even suggest it so I’m not sure where you’re getting that from.

You didn't?

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

His injury is a huge part of the reason that Veach made the trade for Toney too.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by PHOG

MVS=1 rec on 2 tgts
Moore=2 rec on 2 tgts
Watson=2 rec on 3 tgts
Toney=5 rec on 6 tgts
Rice=4 rec on 5 tgts
Ross=2 rec on 4 tgts

and then

Kelce=10 rec on 11 tgts
Gray=2 rec on 2 tgts
McKinnon=2 rec on 3 tgts
Pacheco=1 rec on 1 tgt

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/kansas-...s-20231008016/

Pretty remarkable really.

MVS/Moore/Watson -- 7 targets on 109 combined snaps; target rate of 6.5%

Toney/Rice/Ross -- 15 targets on 51 snaps; 29.4% target rate.

That's unreal. Now I'd imagine it evens out a little bit 'per route run' but it's still gonna be a massive disparity.

It really does seem like Mahomes just doesn't have a ton of use for his ostensible 'starting' receivers.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Pretty remarkable really.

MVS/Moore/Watson -- 7 targets on 109 combined snaps; target rate of 6.5%

Toney/Rice/Ross -- 15 targets on 51 snaps; 29.4% target rate.

That's unreal. Now I'd imagine it evens out a little bit 'per route run' but it's still gonna be a massive disparity.

It really does seem like Mahomes just doesn't have a ton of use for his ostensible 'starting' receivers.

I don't understand the point of MVS right now. Watson is basically being used for what I figured MVS would be doing.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

I don't understand the point of MVS right now. Watson is basically being used for what I figured MVS would be doing.

I’m feeling that too. Mvs has better speed to clear out. But Watson just seems to have way better tools to follow through on the big hitters. I’m generally not crazy about a guy like Mvs who is on the field that often with such a low target share. Either give him more targets or just relegate him to more of a role, which I think is more his place in this offense.

At the very least I don’t think Watson and Mvs should be on the field much at the same time. And of the 2 I think Watson is way more of an every down option.

[PHOG]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Pretty remarkable really.

MVS/Moore/Watson -- 7 targets on 109 combined snaps; target rate of 6.5%

Toney/Rice/Ross -- 15 targets on 51 snaps; 29.4% target rate.

That's unreal. Now I'd imagine it evens out a little bit 'per route run' but it's still gonna be a massive disparity.

It really does seem like Mahomes just doesn't have a ton of use for his ostensible 'starting' receivers.

Yep, and Ross with 4 tgts on 6 snaps... Catch the ball young man!

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

You didn't?

No. Saying it played a part isn’t the same as saying it is the reason.

You think I’m saying we traded for Toney as an immediate replacement for Hardman.

What I’m actually saying is that we traded for Toney because Hardman was banged up, Juju was banged up and it seemed evident that we would likely be moving on from both in the off-season anyway.

There are a lot of factors involved, as is typically the case with roster moves.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by Razaele

Here are the snap counts and % from yesterday's game, and in parentheses the % of snaps played in the previous game agains the Jets


MVS 43 snaps - 65.2% (58.6% against Jets)
Moore 37 - 56.1% (58.6%)
Watson 29 - 43.9% (61.4%)
Toney 25 - 37.9% (24.3%)
Rice 20 - 30.3% (45.7%)
Ross 6 - 9.1% (5.7%)

So Rice's snap count is going backwards? I realize this is likely a result of the formations and packages they ran, but that's still not ideal.

When is the point when we finally see the final rotation finally rounding into form? By around week 8 I think you really need to start seeing something close to what the offense will be looking like by year end, 2 months is plenty of time to have these guys up to speed. Ideally you have a couple of weeks (@ Denver and Miami in London) to see what the offense looks like with larger snap counts for guys like Rice and Ross (and a significant decline in snaps for MVS and Moore) and then you have the bye week in week 10 to get it all ironed out for the final 2 months of the season and the postseason.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

So Rice's snap count is going backwards? I realize this is likely a result of the formations and packages they ran, but that's still not ideal.

When is the point when we finally see the final rotation finally rounding into form? By around week 8 I think you really need to start seeing something close to what the offense will be looking like by year end, 2 months is plenty of time to have these guys up to speed. Ideally you have a couple of weeks (@ Denver and Miami in London) to see what the offense looks like with larger snap counts for guys like Rice and Ross (and a significant decline in snaps for MVS and Moore) and then you have the bye week in week 10 to get it all ironed out for the final 2 months of the season and the postseason.

Not london

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Not london

Why, because it's a high stakes game? We see that MVS and Moore do the absolute least as far as production relative to their high snap count. There's a good chance that game is a shoot out, why waste snaps on players who either can't get open or are just not on the same page with Mahomes? If we're going to lose that game (which is a real possibility) I'd rather do it with the young guys who have shown that they can make plays with the limited opportunities they have gotten. It's week 9, we're going to need these young guys to step up and make plays in the playoffs, why can't they be called on after half the season?

[BleedingRed]

Because I think we are playing in Germany not London

[O.city]

Week 8-10 is usually about the time they like to be rounding into form.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

Why, because it's a high stakes game? We see that MVS and Moore do the absolute least as far as production relative to their high snap count. There's a good chance that game is a shoot out, why waste snaps on players who either can't get open or are just not on the same page with Mahomes? If we're going to lose that game (which is a real possibility) I'd rather do it with the young guys who have shown that they can make plays with the limited opportunities they have gotten. It's week 9, we're going to need these young guys to step up and make plays in the playoffs, why can't they be called on after half the season?

Because showing up to play the Dolphins in London is going to get SOMEBODY on the Chiefs secretarial staff very much fired.

[PHOG]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Because showing up to play the Dolphins in London is going to get SOMEBODY on the Chiefs secretarial staff very much fired.

They got on WHAT PLANE?!?!