***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Not playing the Donger today, sorry.

its a pretty simple question...

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Taken by a nurse friend of mine ...

I have those same masks but the piece of paper with the instructions is written in Chinese so I dont know what it says lol.

Ive heard mosts masks are about as effective against C19 as a chainlink fence is for keeping mosquitos out. I wear a mask simply to keep folks feeling better about themselves when seeing me more than anything else. I dont mind. If it makes folks feel better, so what?

[petegz28]

For you geniuses that keep spouting off about what you think an article said but since you didn't actually read it don't know what it actually said...

"Any filter that’s made out of woven material not designed to be a filter is not going to collect particles in an efficient way. It will collect larger ones with some efficiency but not smaller ones."

Brosseau said that infected individuals generate around 900 particles of the disease a minute when talking or breathing. Current theories, she explained, estimate that an individual needs about 1,000 particles to become infected by the virus.

"Cloth masks stop about 50 percent of particles," she said. "If it takes you two or three minutes to get an infectious dose, the mask may move the infection time up a little bit longer." The slight extension in the time it takes to become infected, she argued, would be insufficient to protect those in customer-facing service work like "retail, or someone driving a bus."

She argued that surgical masks are not much better. They were "originally designed to prevent the emission of large droplets for surgeons in surgical setting, to prevent bacterial infections during surgery," she said.

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Hai gai’s, just stopped by to say... TRUMP!

President Trump explaining the results of his most recent coronavirus test: “I tested very positively.... in another sense...I tested positively towards negative...I tested perfectly this morning. Meaning, I tested negative.” pic.twitter.com/VE8rVT09ny

— Vladimir Duthiers (@vladduthiersCBS) May 21, 2020

no comment

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Nice try......just admit you went off without reading first. It's okay. Several of you did and now you're all trying to make yourself feel smart about doing sucha stupid thing.

Pete I have been the one from the beginning saying masks on an individual basis are not effective at protecting people from getting it , but is more to protect people from you. surgeons wear masks to protect the patient not themselves but when blood goes flying it can still offer some when used properly.

if you are not wearing a mask but everybody around is it can reduce the viral load in the environment/air . If used properly (like sterile equipment ) it can offer short term protection in areas where social distancing is not possible.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

its a pretty simple question...

If it was a sincere question you would be right.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I'm not sure why we bother debating Pete on this one at this point. He's clearly convinced that no one should be wearing them because all they do is make us sicker. The conclusions of pretty much every public health agency out there aren't enough to convince him, so I don't think anything will.

I guess the answer to a virus that has been proven to be primarily transmitted through the air through person-to-person contact is to do nothing.

I think you should read the article. I don't think it's biased but it does ask questions.

So what changed in between then and now? Has compelling new evidence emerged that suggests widespread mask usage is effective at slowing the spread of the coronavirus? Has such evidence ever existed? In the view of some dissenting experts, the answers are, respectively: Not much, no, and no. Yet, for now at least, a broad consensus of expert opinion continues to insist it is necessary to wear them for the duration of the pandemic, if for no other reason than to be careful.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Pete I have been the one from the beginning saying masks on an individual basis are not effective at protecting people from getting it , but is more to protect people from you. surgeons wear masks to protect the patient not themselves but when blood goes flying it can still offer some when used properly.

if you are not wearing a mask but everybody around is it can reduce the viral load in the environment/air . If used properly (like sterile equipment ) it can offer short term protection in areas where social distancing is not possible.

Still haven't read the article, have you?

For some reason at some point, surgical masks started to be worn as protective equipment for healthcare workers to protect against droplets being sprayed into the face," Brosseau said. "That was never the purpose of them. It was to prevent large droplets being spewed onto wounds."

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Lzen

I think you should read the article. I don't think it's biased but it does ask questions.

Thanks you! Crown this mother ****er King for the day. Someone who actually read the article!!!



Rep to you, Sir

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

If it was a sincere question you would be right.

ok


pete serious question here.


have you been wearing a mask when in public recently? im genuinely curious...

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by jdubya

...I wear a mask simply to keep folks feeling better about themselves when seeing me more than anything else. I dont mind. If it makes folks feel better, so what?

That's the way I do it. I have to wear one at work in common areas so I figure I might as well wear it in stores and such.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

If it was a sincere question you would be right.

It's absolutely sincere. And, if you have been wearing a mask recently, are you going to stop based on that article?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Still haven't read the article, have you?

does droplets getting into wounds spread the cornavirus?

ive seriously never seen that said, but i could have missed something.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Thank you for telling us what we already know. But contrary to what you may think, a shitload of people are running around wearing masks, improperly mostly, thinking that it does protect them.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...-effectiveness

https://theconversation.com/masks-he...wearing-138507

There are another Eleventy Billion articles and papers like this.

Do the masks stop the virus clusters from getting through? Very few do. Do the masks help prevent the spread of the virus? Absolutely.

Does it matter WHY people wear masks? Nope. Regardless of your reason to wear them, the benefits are the same.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

President Trump explaining the results of his most recent coronavirus test: “I tested very positively.... in another sense...I tested positively towards negative...I tested perfectly this morning. Meaning, I tested negative.” pic.twitter.com/VE8rVT09ny

— Vladimir Duthiers (@vladduthiersCBS) May 21, 2020

no comment

WHAT???