***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[HonestChieffan]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I don't know if it's been discussed yet, but what should be the priority in vaccines when they come out?

I presume that health care workers will be #1. That's reasonable.

Then probably other first responders like police and fire.

After that, do you prioritize hot spots? Denser urban cores? Nursing homes and group living places for seniors? Does priority go to people with pre-existing health conditions?

I pondered a simple way of prioritizing based on death rates by age, and the years of life expectancy lost. Given the pattern of the virus, the priority in that system would simply start at the oldest and work its way down by age (other than a possible flip of children over those under 30). Is that reasonable?

What would be your priority list if you were in charge? Assume (random numbers here) that we can vaccinate 10 million people per month so it'll take 30 months to get everyone.

Clearly older folks and first responders/health care deliverers first....

children once schools open and do at schools

like flu shots, any pharmacy should be able to deliver the shots, its not difficult so even a pharmacist can give the shot

will need to be easily available but not some sort of forced effort or the nutters will go insane

[petegz28]

California speeds up its reopening; here's what comes next
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ca...?ocid=msedgntp

From the link...

Counties no longer will be kept from loosening the shutdown rules if they have recorded COVID-19 deaths in the previous two weeks. The original standard was criticized in many of California’s urban counties, whose leaders argued that even a single fatal case would block them from moving deeper into the second stage of reopening rules crafted by the Newsom administration.

How ****ing crazy is that to say if you have even one, single death from Covid you can't pursue re-opening?

[Naptown Chief]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I don't know, fellas, but I have about had it with every ****ing commercial and their Covid shit. We don't touch your food. We're in this together. Bla bla bla.

This. I hope the advertisers all get the coronaids, pull through, then proceed to get struck by a (very) large truck.

[Naptown Chief]

Originally Posted by petegz28

California speeds up its reopening; here's what comes next
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ca...?ocid=msedgntp

From the link...



How ****ing crazy is that to say if you have even one, single death from Covid you can't pursue re-opening?

Yeah, that's absurD. Makes you wonDer who's behinD all those shit policies, eh?

[dodgy]

At some point you have to wonder when businesses realize that type of message is so see-through and it doesn't really help their brand image

[Strongside]

Originally Posted by Naptown Chief

This. I hope the advertisers all get the coronaids, pull through, then proceed to get struck by a (very) large truck.

As a guy who works in advertising, I can tell you this: we’re trying.

Every CMO, every Marketing exec in the world right now, wants their spot to look and sound like every other brand. The “safe” route.

We’re trying to tell them no. Don’t do this. It’s more detrimental to your brand than helpful. But they’re paying and they won’t listen. Most of them, at least.

This is the first time in my 14 year career that I can recall trying to tell clients that the best campaign is no campaign at all.

But again, they aren’t listening.

PIANO TRACK, TEXT ON SCREEN, CELL PHONE PICTURES, “WE’RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER”

Edit: we are, as an ad agency, busier now than we were before the outbreak. We beat Q1 2019 by 40% in 2020.

[Indian Chief]

Quick update from NJ. For about 4 weeks my hospital's census was around 50% COVID cases. As of today we are under 15%. We also had a triage tent outside the hospital to screen and test for COVID so that we didn't march everyone through the ED. They shut it down last week because it wasn't needed at the moment.

[Strongside]

Originally Posted by Indian Chief

Quick update from NJ. For about 4 weeks my hospital's census was around 50% COVID cases. As of today we are under 15%. We also had a triage tent outside the hospital to screen and test for COVID so that we didn't march everyone through the ED. They shut it down last week because it wasn't needed at the moment.

Fantastic!

[Al Bundy]

Originally Posted by Naptown Chief

This. I hope the advertisers all get the coronaids, pull through, then proceed to get struck by a (very) large truck.

You are extremely hateful.

[RustShack]

Is Top Golf open yet? They could do 50% and open every other bay.

[POND_OF_RED]

Originally Posted by RustShack

Is Top Golf open yet? They could do 50% and open every other bay.

If you want to drive down to Oklahoma City it is, but the Missouri ones are still closed for now.

[KCUnited]

The be a hero stuff for regular folk is a bit cringe as well. Like non-child households acknowledging the mother of their fur babies on mothers day.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Nature is melting the ice caps.
So billions can warsh their hands 37 times a day. Go nature!

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

My son has his first baseball practice today. What a great feeling to have things pretty much back to normal.

That’s great! Here in AZ, almost everything is open. Casinos, restaurants, gyms, all businesses, movie theaters, etc.

Outside youth sports???? Nope

So lame. My kids are relegated to playing one on one with me as all time QB or all time pitcher.

[Baby Lee]

https://www.stltoday.com/business/lo...4ce14d4c077713