***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[limested]

Originally Posted by BWillie

The amount of people in critical care has maintained pretty steady over the last 3 weeks, and the good news is deaths per day seems to have declined to 800 - 1600. Has there been a breakthrough in treatment recently? It may just be the timing of the cases in the other states outside of the Northeast though, I suppose.

Viral respiratory infections tend to drop significantly this time of year. This was expected. The worry is that it come back hard in the fall.

[RedRaider56]

Originally Posted by limested

When they switched from fresh made dough to the pre-made frozen was when I thought it changed the most.

It's pretty funny when my oldest daughter complains about a pizza from a really nice Italian restaurant being greasy. I tell her its because they are using real meat and real cheese, not fake stuff. No matter how many times I tell her that, she still complains.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Just what, a week after Georgia got busted putting days out of order on their graphs to make the numbers look better?

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health...r-emails-show/

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by O.city

https://twitter.com/collignonpeter/s...687307778?s=21

So that’s good news

I swear we’ve heard this somewhere before in this thread that this is almost certainly what was happening... Thanks for posting O.city, this is good confirmation yet again that the headlines from Saturday were just fear mongering bs.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED

Insane. This is no time for censorship. Wonder why she won’t say what numbers they were trying to make her change. I do always find it odd that these data websites make it nearly impossible to get a breakdown of the total deaths by age. You think that would be something most people would want to know.

Many states have more detailed breakdowns and they’re all fairly similar — the last one I saw showed that 83% of the deaths were in the 65+ group and nearly half were in nursing homes. I separately read in USA Today that almost 10% of those who contracted it and died were not necessarily killed by it, but with it (something that was closer to 20% when CO revised their numbers to account for it). Not sure how much of that 10% overlaps with the other groups.

If those numbers held up nationwide it would mean that about 15K deaths have occurred outside of nursing homes and the elderly. Not that those groups aren’t precious, but in nursing homes are already out of the workforce and those over 65 are about 5% of that workforce pre-covid. I think many would like to keep those 5% at highest risk at home and let the rest of the world go back to work.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I worked at Pizza Hut when I was a teenager and I can tell you the difference I saw when their pizza went to shit was the cheese. When I worked there you put sauce, cheese, toppings and more cheese. No it looks like they just throw one shit layer of cheese on.

I always felt Pizza Huts pizza was way too greasy and it always upsets my stomach. All chain pizzas tend to do that to me but Pizza Hut was always by far the worst so I stay away.

It tastes good but nothing crazy and not worth ****ing my stomach up.

[Marcellus]

There is a clear trend here that should be encouraging.

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[Kidd Lex]

This is also great news regarding T Cells and cross immunity from other Coronavirus as well as prospects for longer term immunity:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...-term-immunity

We’ve come a long ways from the darkest days of this virus. Science rocks!

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Kidd Lex

This is also great news regarding T Cells and cross immunity from other Coronavirus as well as prospects for longer term immunity:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...-term-immunity

We’ve come a long ways from the darkest days of this virus. Science rocks!

The worst is over which is great.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

The worst is over which is great.

I don't know, not being able to go to a Chiefs game this year is pretty sad.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I don't know, not being able to go to a Chiefs game this year is pretty sad.

You'll live... Not the end of the world... But yeah it does suck!!

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

You'll live... Not the end of the world...

Yeah, but it is something I like to really do with my Grandfather. Don't know how many more games I'll get to enjoy with him is all.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Yeah, but it is something I like to really do with my Grandfather. Don't know how many more games I'll get to enjoy with him is all.

I hear you man. Situation sucks. Look at it like this at least he is alive. Plenty of ppl lost their Grandfathers to this virus.

[TLO]

IHME updated again.

I don't see a lot of noticeable changes except it went off the rails in Arizona.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/unite...merica/arizona

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Many states have more detailed breakdowns and they’re all fairly similar — the last one I saw showed that 83% of the deaths were in the 65+ group and nearly half were in nursing homes. I separately read in USA Today that almost 10% of those who contracted it and died were not necessarily killed by it, but with it (something that was closer to 20% when CO revised their numbers to account for it). Not sure how much of that 10% overlaps with the other groups.

If those numbers held up nationwide it would mean that about 15K deaths have occurred outside of nursing homes and the elderly. Not that those groups aren’t precious, but in nursing homes are already out of the workforce and those over 65 are about 5% of that workforce pre-covid. I think many would like to keep those 5% at highest risk at home and let the rest of the world go back to work.

My issue is just that it's really not possible to truly keep that group isolated. Many of them rely on family members to help with chores, shopping, medications, etc., so they'll still have contact with the "infected world." It will also hit hardest among families where grandparents are living with a larger family (typically lower-income and minorities).

But it is what it is at this point. The grand re-opening is happening, so all we can do is try and hope for the best.